I think flying should be unlockable from the start of the expansion. If there’s certain areas where they don’t want flying for whatever reason, like the timeless isle, then sure.
But I dislike how it’s being used as a carrot on a stick. It’s not really a ‘compromise’. It’s just a trivial annoyance. What, I unlocked part one by exploring, so I’ll be more qualified to fly in 8.2 when I swim around Najatar a bit? Give me a break.
They aren’t stupid for trying to get rid of flight.
Removing flight had nothing to do with making the game better.
It had to do with making the game cheaper.
They were willing to take the risk on degrading the game experience to be able to make it more cheaply.
That’s it.
What is silly though is anyone buying into their obvious distraction and deliberate misdirection that somehow flight was bad and removing it was intended to improve the game.
It was the exact opposite.
It was a decision to cheap out on development costs on the chance not enough people would hate the game being less than it could be so they could save a few bucks and make more money.
Obnoxiously time gating flight is the same. It lets them delay putting it in and save some costs at not having to put it in to start, and while it doesn’t save them as much money as cutting it out entirely, which is what they wanted, it does let them save some. And while the game isn’t degraded as much as it is if flight was entirely gone, its still worse without it.
They just get to be more cynical and devious about it now by claiming they are giving us flight, while simultaneously stringing it out so long it’s awful and still drastically making the game worse.
And people still defend nonsense like this.
What a world.
WoW lacks lasting rewards for vets.
Making vets regrind flying, heirlooms, etc is fundamentally wrong IMVHO.
And let me add that excessive gating of flying is not a good hill to fight on for any WoW dev IMO as it is very perilous haha.
The pathfinder system was designed gate off flying for so long, it becomes irrelevant. Which makes it a de facto removal of flying.
Yup we tried to warn people defending patchfinder nonsense. Now you see the results.
If Blizzard wants their pathfinder pony then FINE. Whatever, The problem is having pathfinder be tied to patch cycles.
Just have the entire pathfinder available in the expansion from the start. Or would that harm your precious “time played” metric too much?
Getting rid of Pathfinder is my proposal, lol… but clearly that won’t happen and the pro-flight people shout at deaf ears so our opinions, proposals, feed back won’t be listened to, let a lone implemented or some variation of it.
I share this view. I’m almost completely at a loss as to how someone could or would come up with the progressive concepts that seem to get worse and worse (though I thought Legion was cool. It was fun atleast).
I mean, outside of the just strange/bizzare mindset, it’s difficult (if not impossible), to understand.
“Another turtle made it to the water” … I would like to hear from the person who came up with that - as to why it was implemented in a semi-serious MMORPG??? Why did that make it into WoW? And how!!! lol… there has to be some answer to that. But for now, I remain confused as to how Ion is coming up with this kind of stuff… /sigh
At this point, the only thing that amazes me about WoW is that Ion still has a job.
They might be the ones who do the coding and story boarding and whatnot, but it’s not their game! Without us, the paying customers, they wouldn’t have a job! When a business has a good business model, they listen to the customer and do the best to give the customer what the customer wants in order for the customer to buy it. Completely ignoring what the customer wants leads to a failed business.
This kind of reasoning is selfish. If you don’t want to fly, then don’t! No one has ever made you fly! However, keeping others from flying simply because you don’t want to fly is extremely selfish. The world does not revolve around you, and other people have fun differently than you!
Quoted for truth. Making us wait this long is short-sighted on Blizz’s part.
Remember when Argus came out and there was a mad dash to get it done, and when it was over hardly anyone went there because of the lack of flying?
The actual middle ground is letting people choose if they want to fly or run.
Speculation: Blizz wants flying gated behind the X.2 patch going forward (which I hope they change…), but BfA has been such a mess that they’re putting a lot of fixes in 8.2, thus 8.2 keeps getting pushed back.
I like to run quests and dailies and whatnot. What I don’t like is inconvenience, being knocked off my mount constantly, fighting a bunch of crap that I don’t want to fight, having to find my way around a landscape that is a pain to navigate, taking a whole bunch of extra time to farm mats for raiding consumables…etc etc etc. Flying certainly has a fun factor, but in WoW it’s also a huge convenience factor, and unless you’re a masochist, convenience is more fun than inconvenience.
This is Blizz telling us how to play the game their way. So what if I want to play 20 alts for x amount of hours a week instead of 1 character for the same amount time? It’s not like I’m paying for this game or anything…
Yes, but flying was also obtained very soon after reaching max level in WotLK.
There has been flying with pvp servers. There has been flying and world pvp in pve and rp servers. Remember trying to capture the 3 towers in Hellfire Peninsula in BC? Flying and War Mode shouldn’t be an issue unless you’re one of those people who likes to play a rogue and pop out of stealth to gank people… In which case, just like all of the other expansions, you’ll find a way to pull that crap anyway.
First off, agree to disagree is still disagreement, and therefore a farcical argument. Secondly, your argument still keeps us anchored to flight points, and therefor a mode of transportation that should be obsolete. On top of which, when you compare using a flight point and then having to run to an objective versus being able to fly directly to the objective directly, the second option is almost always much quicker.
Why? Flying wasn’t broken in the first place. Ion just didn’t like it because, well, he’s Ion. You’re trying to fix a non-problem in a way that’s different from Ion’s method.
Who knows. Sense. It makes none.
Heck, I’m still confused as to why the tongue-in-cheek Ion Fuzzykoalas thread, from way back when, got removed.
Never question the dear leader yo.
Sign of the times.
Hides under desk
Years of buying game time, deluxe expansions, store items, and now I’m gone. All because of his pathfinder vision which I hate with a fiery passion. For me WoW died with pathfinder and BfA when the game was too terrible to endure waiting for flying anymore.
Yeah, he should go, and frankly probably more than just him when you consider how tone deaf they are to the community on more than just the flying issue. How’s that guild UI permissions situation going? Probably just another topic ignored by the devs who no longer make games for gamer’s but games for metrics and bean counters.
Jesus christ…make your own game if you want to design a game. You don’t get to do whatever you want just because… I don’t even know why.
When Blizz can nut up again and try and take flying out we will see who’s game it is. remember THEY were the ones who back peddled when they saw the sub fall out. Yes we can speculate what really dropped those numbers.
They cause there own strife and community backlash by doing a half assed botch jobs of xpacs, try to sneak changes in by not putting them in patch notes. Blizz is never wrong till the end of the xpac, then Ion tells us he is sorry and they will do better. LOL
You can defend Blizz, you can enjoy the game how it is. Thats cool beans, but my sub ended a bit ago and until they make a game worth playing i am out.
Zaronthosdk, sorry wasnt meant as a reply to you ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
Flying is freedom
So if you only want to play and be able to fly, unsub after the 3.5 patch every expac and wait until the 1.5 patch during the following expac. I think I will start doing that. Why pay for slow releases, drug out content and the end of expac content drought. Thanks Ion!
Not being able to fly feels somehow claustrophobic. Like there is this invisible ceiling above me that I unconsciously know shouldn’t be there (from other experiences in the game).