A small heal you have to stand around for 1.3 seconds to cast? Seems worthless for Ret because it’s a net loss as you typically won’t heal enough to counter the dmg you are taking and you are doing no damage that GCD. And if you’re not in combat, recuperate is faster and takes no mana.
What am I missing?
You aren’t missing anything. They removed the option to make FoL instant for Ret making the spell almost useless for us and making the “Selfless Healer” node in the class tree a dead node for Ret.
I would love it if Selfless Healer would have had an addition for Ret that every 3 holy power you spend makes your next FoL instant, but nope.
Pruning has taken away Rets incentive to off-heal entirely.
In exchange you get paladin utility, but not Spellwarding or group defensives.
Rets dmg better be pretty good or else its kinda bleak.
I really enjoy either having searing glare or blinding light but not both. Gotta love it! So much for my crafty CC in pvp…
Hit em with a blinding then searing glare (usually thr healer) lol
They just buffed flash’s healing and they buffed WOG by 100%. I think Blizz realized that hybrid’s minuscule healing just wasn’t cutting it, I’m glad they are watching and reacting to how all these changes are unfolding. W Blizz!
They did this because they increased HP values.
Rets healing will always fall behind as time goes on because its ap based and has no maxhp% based healing attached to it. (It would be cool if it was "x% ap healing plus 15% minum hp)
They can buff it all they want, increasing player hp is blizzards only way to balance player vs content so it will lead to flash and wog to fall behind without mentioning wogs mana nerfs are still in place.
Meanwhile enhancement still has the highest hybrid healing in the game made even stronger because of stormreaver going from pvp talent to spec tree lol.
Surprise I can’t kill squat in pvp as templar atm… 120k+ health… 35k crit HoL… 5.9k FoL 7k WoG lol… FV trash panda dmg maybe 7k judgement when using DT… I dont want to play herald and it looks like the dmg is even worse.
Yes ik balanced at 90… If any prepatch expansions have tought me though is yes dmg in prepatch does give insight to how u r going to do at 90.
my uhdk friend quadruple my dmg in arena and thats after all those nerfs to uhdk…
The tiny off heals has been a thing for like what? I think 2 seasons at least?
They gutted our offhealing to the point it’s only really remotely useful in BGs and even then sometime it’s better off used to smash the other guy if he’s near death. The PVP modifiers have to be dialed back if not outright remove becuz it’s ridiculous for a class that has it’s ID as a supportish DPS and yet not only our big dmg moves are PVP-modded, so is our healing.
Meanwhile for healers? You can have 3 dps training him and all he has to do is CC + insta heal and he gets back like half of what 3 of you are doing in the past 10 secs. Ultimate penance is a hallmark of this super skewered balance.
Templar still has -35% dmg modifier on Hammer of Light its nuts… without the 4pc HoL dmg is borked… im still going to try and make it work bc I HATE herald… I’ll be crying holy tears the whole journey
I saw in some potential patch notes about this and was really hopeful, but in the actual patch notes there is nothing.
I just logged in and checked my iLvl 145 Ret Pally with 120K health… FOL still only heals for 4K, yet costs 5000 mana.
So, no, nothing changed this patch
Fully pvp scaled on 180k hp pool heals for 5k. Lelmao
FoL and WoG are getting a pretty significant buff in the next patch for Ret, which should be a week or two. We’ll see if it feels any better than.
I saw the 85% fol and 100% for wog but that fol cast time worth it? Surely not in PvE and definitely not in ranked pvp unless you have that clear moment for what a 20k heal maybe? With haste like a .75 sec cast?
Does the ability heal for enough to feel meaningful and does the player realistically have access to the ability when factoring in resource and opportunity costs are two different arguments.
If we’re going to say that an ability is not worth using, then we need to be clear on why it isn’t worth using if we want to have any chance of the devs fixing it.
i’d say the cast time is a big hinderance to using it. a GCD is one thing but a stand still and cast is entirely different. Should have an option for instant cast, add CD and if needed increased healing as well. then selfless healer I feel would be worth taking.
True dat
Currently , the game isn’t done, and it shows during pre-patch but FoL is feeling underbaked on both fronts.
As a spell that restores health, does it restore a meaningful amount of health? No
As a spell players are expected to push, does the game give them good opportunities to push it? No
Numbers and Design wise its kinda a fail
I’m not all that impressed
Is Ret the only melee that has to hard cast heals now? Enhance gets instant procs, feral gets instant procs, and WW too.
For FoL? Yes. LoH and WoG are still instant and the only real viable heals.
Your Flash of Light as a ret is not to ‘‘heal’’ ppl, it’s to buy time for your healer. If you already have 3 hopo banked, you can always FOL target A and WOG target B. It’s not gonna make the world of a difference to them but it does buy whatever little time you can afford to give to your healer, esp when they are struggling or just need a bit more time to get the ramp off.
Or you can always play a bit more selfish and just take care of yourself so your healer has 1 less guy to worry about.