Are you going to start threatening me next?
So you think youâre some how being funny?
I donât get what youâre doing??
Itâs like you made a claim that using raid consumables is âtoxic parse cultureâ.
I bet if I saw your logs you flasked.
Why would you flask? Thatâs toxic parse culture behavior I thought?
What youâre saying is dumb and makes no sense.
There is nothing funny about it.
I think what some people view as âtoxic parse cultureâ is when players go out of their way to eek out every point of DPS with the sole purpose to parse rather than to make sure a progression boss dies. Iâm not saying itâs right or wrong to want to optimize, but that is where the disconnect across the playerbase comes from.
That being said Flame Caps for Naxx are pretty impactful in the sense that since the fights die so quickly popping one for a fight could be equivalent to having another flask two-thirds the strength. Albeit the longer the fight goes the less impactful it is, and since (I believe) you can only pop one in a fight once we get into more 4-6 minute long fights the impact of a flame cap is pretty negligible so Iâll be curious to see how big of a deal players make of the consumable.
I think the difference between using flame cap versus using consumables each expansion put out is that Blizzard designs around assuming we will use those typical expansion consumables whereas when players find obscure items from previous expansions that still work thatâs just players finding something unique and likely not entirely thought through. I mean when you look back at the world buff design of Vanilla itâs insane, a game would never launch like that in this day and age because players demand some semblance of balance.
Again, Iâm not saying itâs right or wrong to want to min/max, but I think the big problem is WoW has never really been designed as a sandbox-type game so when players find obscure ways to boost their DPS and that information spreads players can start to feel obligated to do these things while other players capitalize on cornering the market to inflate the price. Itâs made worse by the fact that people doing this arenât necessarily doing it because they need every point of damage to kill a boss, but are just hyper-focused on getting 99s on an external website.
Except you can get 99 without doing it
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That was my whole point.
Putting out damage is not a bad thing wanting to maximize your character is not a bad thing
Exactly, its only a bad thing when others try to force that behavior onto someone else. In which case find a new guild or raid group if thats not the behavior you want to be a part of. Its that simple.
Yet these people think trying to perform well is somehow bad. Lol.
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Itâs the same people who follow every guide about their class.
Most if not all of us follow a talent guide, rotation guide, profession guide and consumable guide for the sole purpose of getting more out of our character.
The people crying about parsing are literally no different, but flame cap is somehow a nono?
Lmfao
this is what ive done so far and its been pretty nice. just keep my herb toon logged there and hit it whenever.
I did 4 runs other night and got none.
They donât always spawn.
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People that say you get can 10-15 from 5 resets in underbog just flat out lie. Its more like 2-3 average. You will be lucky to see 3 flame cap nodes in the reset and most the time you get one. In Zangarmarsh I average about 3-4 per 150 ragveil if Im alone.
Most of the videos showing flame cap farm are from private servers that have increased node spawn rates.
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Yes thatâs the issue with farming them in the open you need to pick Ragveil too and hope it spawns off it and you happen to be the 1 to get it.
Farming it just sucks.
People are stupid so when a lot of them look to try to parse they donât look at something and say âOh I donât have to do that because other people have parsed without itâ they say âI need everythingâ and thatâs where mentalities clash because some people are going to like being able to do all these things, and others are going to find them tedious.
Yeah, I said as much. I didnât follow the whole thread and your discussion, and the person youâre talking to seems trollish based on seeing a few responses.
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Just farm it or buy them off the AH.
Friendly reminder yet again that Blizz has changed spawn rate/drop of items several times in the past, because as they said in their âBlack Lotus Spawn fixâ
population and social factors have led to Black Lotus being much more scarce than it was in original WoW
I still donât see a convicing argument as to why we should NOT increase their spawn, or available sources.
During the halloween event they increased the drop of Thoothpicks from the innkeeper rewards. Did anyone else pointed or noticed that? No one complaiened against it.
People thinking it is for parsing are as cringe as those who think you wonât feel âforcedâ to use them.
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Deep in his post history is comments about how he wears resilience to raids on his shaman and uses chromatic flasks because he thinks the survivability is important in raids and heâs helping his healers out.
Thatâs the person trying to give you advice.
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For the sake of the argument, I will follow your line of reasoning.
In a full BiS ICC sim, for fire mage specifically (not warlock, not shamans, not any other class using flame caps), BiS race makes up for 40-50 DPS. Flame caps? 170-200 DPS.
If you are sweating and actually trying to achieve the highest DPS possible, sure, you should re-roll your race (or just wait for the devs to add the option that they said we will eventually have?). But ignoring how powerful flame caps alone can be is cringe.
The best caster weapon currently (Turning Tide) is about the same DPS increase as Flame Caps are in ICC BiS.
âThis item has a reduced effect for players above level 70.â
Next patch, maybe?
A LOT of people in this thread:
- Have no clue about how powerful Flame Caps can be. Some donât even play classes using Flame Caps.
- Never farmed them, have seen them, or even attempted to. Just repeat what they have seen/heard.
- Bought thousands of Flame Caps that have banked and are waiting to off-load them for huge profits. Nothing wrong with that; but no wonder they are so against the idea of increased sources/spawns for them.
Weird to read so many uninformed comments on the topic.
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I think the big takeaway from all this is that everyone needs to just stop talking about before it gets nerfed. Anyone who uses Flame Caps (which btw the biggest consumer rn is the remaining ride or die Destro locks) knows that its a pain to farm and ultimately you just have to have deep pockets if you want to squeeze out that extra dps. Its not that big a deal, the users all knew the deal once TBC was over. At this point tho everyone in this thread needs to just stop talking about it so it doesnt get ruined.
Could just add a small chance to get 1-2 in the dungeon bags, donât see the harm in that. Maybe not even the heroic ones, just the leveling ones since they already give random herbs or whatnot.
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