That reminds me! Best brawl tomorrow, Temple!!
Or rated BGs which give 150 for 1st win of the day, 100 every win after. Add to that pvp island expeditions, which Iāve heard give CP even for a loss.
It does. Iāve been doing arenas and bgs since the start of the season and I still havenāt made it through the entire conquest cap.
Cool so lfg anonymous wpvp is the best way to cap? Sounds awesome, but no thanks.
So a 2 week grind and youāve just made it through 445sā¦ Suuuuuper awesome 
As Iāve said, Iāve done a few hundred arenas this season and Iām still not a the way through.
Iād like to refer you to m+ gearing for something that doesnāt.
I donāt buy this.
I caught up with the cap within 3 weeks and I dinged 120 only a month ago.
Gross pve, noty.
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You played during when the catch up is in effect so I guess that helps a bit. I legit do bgs and arenas, thatās it (I think the current version of wpvp is a joke). I am on the 460 trinket right now so almost through but I am most definitely not.
Yeah I havenāt hated the pve as much as I usually do (good/fun guildies). Big part of it for sure.
I would prefer to gear only via PvP but I donāt feel like gearing through PvP respects my time and the pve stuff is easier and higher ilvl for the most part.
Do you do epics? 1 win in random and epic for 5 days is the cap right there. If you donāt do epics, then itās more understandable not capping in a week.
Naw, have never really done them on either faction. I only really like av and thereās too many in the mix now. I like to have more influence in my games. 20v20 fights in mid I donāt really find fun. Especially as an enhance shaman 
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I donāt blame you. All I play is ranged so I loved the few I queued up. Also the 150 CP quests in WG/AV helped to get the weapon fast.
Yeah definitely more fun as rangedā¦ I wish affy lock was good cause Iād probably mess around with it more.
Yeah this isnāt too shabbyā¦ Still though, I just wish it was more comparable to m+. Iām not asking for the gear to be better. Just more easily obtainable.
Thatās nice, but youāre putting in an enormous amount of time into one character just to catch up to an ilvl that still isnāt on par with the people at the top. You have to do that on top of catching up on essences and corruptions and you canāt catch up on corruptions until you catch up on the heavily time-gated cape resistance which you canāt start doing until you get to 15, which you can only do āfastā if you spend an enormous amount of time farming echoes that you spend on vessels instead of saving for corruptions.
The system isnāt remotely reasonable as it is.
Yes. Yes it does.
1st win of the day is a stupid mechanic that needs to be replaced by a weekly bonus cap where you just give the 1 win a day amount for EVERY win up until you hit your weekly bonus cap. Having to do a laundry list of chores daily is a huge contributing factor as to why people hate the game in its current state. Daily chores kills whatever fun there might have been in the game.
Also, having to wait around for an air drop or playing at specific times to go to Naz are unnecessary. If you could just get your weekly bonus from doing the content you prefer on top of whenever you happen to be playing, a lot more people would actually be willing to do it.
That also needs to change. Arenas are just not fun to many people. It should not be the be all and end all PvP farming spot.
As I said before it takes 5k conquest just to get the first 460 piece.
Just because you spent an ungodly amount of time farming for 3 weeks doesnāt mean the system is reasonable or shouldnāt be improved significantly from where it is.
It takes 100 PvP island wins just to get the first 460 piece. Maybe some people would enjoy winning 33 islands a week, most wouldnāt. It would take 143 rated 3v3 arena wins to get the first 460 piece. Thatās 47 wins a week for 3 weeks. First win of the day reduces the numbers some, but not that much. The CTAs for 3 weeks also arenāt reducing that amount by that much. You did a lot of games in 3 weeks to get that far.
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Sorry but this is a terrible response.
First of all not everyone gets 465, it depends on your rating, second of all, most of the time the gear is either a duplicate or doesnāt give the stats you need.
This is why you are forced to do PVE because most of the gear you need to have for best in slot results in neededing to do a mythic+ or raid. I donāt see PVE players needing to do PVP to get the gear they need. Imagine if that was a thing? PVE players would freak.
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Conq cap loot does not depend on your rating and you choose the stats.
Everyone gets 460 as long as you are caught up with the CQ rewards and you can choose your loot with the stats you want from multiple options .
im so glad I was able to choose that haste mastery weapon from my conquest cap
oh waitā¦ haste/mastery wasnt an option lol
went ahead and grabbed myself a 460 haste/mastery dagger from nyalotha instead 
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Lol yeah itās nuts how much of the conquest gear has crit on it. Crazy how with bonus rolls and dungeon sets make it easier to target your desired stats 
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Ways to get 460 gear:
Do one single M+ 7/8 in a week. Very easy, less than half an hour, easy to pug. Get a 460 at the end of the week.
Heroic Darkshore once every 2 weeks. Complete faceroll.
M+11 farm at any time with no limit. Obstacle is getting into groups if you have no M+ history or friends to group with. If you want and can do this it can be half an hour or less to get a 460 piece. You can also do this in a group of friends and armor share to gear out very quickly. If you can do it in 14/15 you can bump that up to 465s.
Visions are the only PvE gear farm that has a big barrier to entry since you first need to catch your cape up (unless you have a friend that will carry you right away or pay for a carry). Once you do you can get a 460 a week from 3 mask, 465 from 4 mask and 470 if you can 5 mask.
Via PvP? The equivalent of 100 island wins or nearly 150 arena wins just to get your first piece. Then the subsequent pieces come much faster. Completely insane initial ramp up compared to M+. If you always got the stats you wanted maybe you could justify it that way, but as mentioned above, you often donāt.
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Historically, players have almost always had access to last seasonās pvp rewards, gear, etc, with worse but still playable item levels (and iām sure you know this.)
Couldnāt agree more. I have several Classic friends that are hyped for Shadowlands, and leveling/gearing toons in preparation for that.
But they also want to play the game they are subbing to. I feel bad for them that they are 2 months behind on cloak, essences, random corruptions (made worse now that there is a corruption vendor but donāt have thousands of echoes to properly itemize their toon.)
I hope my friends can see it out, overlook the powercreep and still be ready for SL. 
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I wish.
Itās more like Blizzard offers you a couple items with different stats. If the stats happen to be bis for your spec in PvP, awesome! If not, oh wells, try to pick the least bad one.
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I think Iām still in the 450s because some weeks had PvP items with stats that were trash for my spec.
Not that it really makes a difference against geared PvEers. The power gap is still huge.
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