It’s because (most of the time) the community tier list creators stretch A-B tier into S-D for more engagement.
Realistically, All specs are A or B tier currently.
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Just tried out Mythic +2 on my Holy Priest. Honestly, it’s just heroic dungeons with a whole bunch of chaos added to it. Haven’t tried it as my mage to see how it’s like on the DPS side of things, but I can tell you that it was very disheartening to go through all that effort and come out with a ilvl 593 ring from all of it. I got better from doing weekly quests and delves T8 and up.
As a healer, why would anyone want to put themselves through all of that nonsense? I get it why so many people in the healing role complain about TWW. I didn’t realize until I just recently got my priest alt to 80 and started Mythics. Wow! What a nightmare!
If Blizzard is going to try and get people to do more mythics and balance all of these class specs around mythic dungeons, wouldn’t it be logical to make the beginning difficulty ranks give out ilvls you won’t be able to get from an easy LFR or Delve pug?
They are shooting themselves in the foot by making the rewards in the early rankings not even worth the effort because people usually use rank 1 or 2 to ease themselves into Mythic dungeons but if they see that the reward is the same as any delve or LFR, why not just do those instead? Then they get some gear and hop into a Mythic 4 or 5 with no experience of what’s to come and they get slaughtered and discouraged.
Or if they are, it is like a pie apple (granny smith) to a snack/eating apple (Red delicious)
C at worse, as in they have some glaring issues but nothing that can’t be overcome with a skilled player.
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Awful. Just awful. M+ went from being my favorite thing to do in the game to my least favorite and now I’m feeling a bit lost trying to figure out where to go from here. I really used to enjoy the push to see how high I could get my IO score.
I’m not a pro player or anything but I consider myself to be pretty decent (I’m “pug pro”, as I don’t often do keys with my guild or a community). At the beginning of every season, I study the affixes, the dungeons, my class and start out on low keys to get my footing and work my way up from there. I barely made KSH this season and I don’t even know if I can bring myself to try to time the last half of the dungeons on +10 to get the portals like I usually do.
My personal opinion is that keys have been extremely unforgiving as a healer. The scaling seems off and on top of that, people seem to be more ignorant than ever. I was trying to time a +10 yesterday and there was a mage in the group that did not even know they could help dispel the affix on people. People in the group were trying in vain to explain it to them and they just didn’t get it–and they had IO >2400. I don’t get it.
So, not only does the difficulty seem amped up in general, but people aren’t on the same page and I don’t really understand that either. Are they returning players? Do they not understand the dungeon level squish that was applied? They did no research whatsoever?
For the first time since I started playing this game almost 20 years ago, I may become someone who only logs on for raid nights.
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This is a product of M+ being way too easy and giving top tier loot. Blizzard made the right call by reining it back in line to better balance Raids and M+. Just because you got KSH or Portals in the past doesn’t mean you deserve anything in the future. You still need to work for it. People not putting in the time or effort to learn affixes or mechanics is because in the past they could just brute force their way through. It’s good that they need to learn the mechanics now.
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Theoretically, it is good. It’s just too bad the majority of the player base doesn’t realize they need to step it up.
Which brings me back to my point of it not being as fun as it used to be if it has to be something that we turn into a “job” to be able to be good at. I don’t imagine most decently-skilled players are enjoying this season. It’s not right that it was accessible before, and now it’s not, in my opinion.
Or, if only people with a certain “skill set” for being able to do keys should be doing them, there needs to be something more reliable in place besides IO score to weed people out. I don’t know what that is. Because as in my example stated above, I’ve been in groups with people trying to time a +10 who didn’t even know how to handle the affix. To me, that is just unacceptable.
If you play virtue you can literally
Heal it off in a few globals. Also, each player can dispel 2 of them, so if the mage wasn’t dispelling him or herself you could have prioritized them. A skilled player can single handedly carry a 10 key by themselves. These get sold in time with 2 carries in them.
You don’t need to turn it into a job to do +10s. I find anybody who considers doing basic bare bones research or even the concept of looking up something that killed them a job as lazy or stupid people. Because all you need is some basic information prior to starting to push keys to start and some motivation to look stuff up or ask for help if you don’t understand something.
There are a literally 2 minute guides for every dungeons. There are 5 minute videos that explain every Xal’atath Bargain affix. That’s about 20 ish minutes of research to get you started then you learn more and more (mainly about your own spec) as you go through it. If you think thats a job, then you’re an ape.
I consider myself a skilled player but when I’m in a group with more than a couple unskilled players (the mage in my example wasn’t the only one on the struggle bus), it is very difficult to time. Especially as a healer. I don’t care what anyone says.
Yeah…if I already haven’t used my globals to heal up some other DPS main nonsense or preventable damage going on around me. People shouldn’t always be relying on my globals to heal off the affix. That’s just not realistic.
What I’ve come to find over the last couple days and weeks is that everyone else is an ape. Because I do my research. At the beginning of every xpac/season, I sit down and watch videos, read guides, and I literally jot down notes that I keep open in front of me and even go over a few times before starting the dungeon until I am fully comfortable with it. If I find that I keep doing something wrong, I look things up again. Other people, this season especially, seem to not be doing the minimum and looking things up.
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I don’t do research for dungeons ,might do it for raid bosses.
Thats not ape behavior tho. You’re doing everything right king. It sounds like you’ve been cursed by ape pugs. The bold part is the real reason this season is farming the casual M+ player. The burden of failure is higher, the stop/interrupt change doesn’t allow for cheesing pack (because thats what stops did back in DF), challenger’s peril prevents groups from death balling through keys with 20 deaths and still timing. So the knowledge is a must.