Blizzard what are you doing? Fire mage is supposed to be the most defenseless high aggro psycho damage class and here we are at the start of season one hitting like wet noodles.
at 590 gear, 300K dps on dummy. Paladin tanks are doing more damage… I mean common. Shaman’s are doing more damage and they have the option as healer, same as shadowpriest, I don’t think this is functioning how you intended. I know I’m not the only arcane hater out there, am I wrong?
Agreed! Fire mage is def garbage now, just look at latest rating. As a pure DPS class, we are at the bottom… seeing tanks, hybrids, even healers out DPS us 
I have nothing against arcane but I’ve been fire for 20yrs and want to feel competitive again. And not sure these recent buffs are going to work. Why would you buff LB??? I was on a dummy last night for over 15mins and LB DID NOT PROC ONCE!!! Buffing something that never procs on a boss fight is pointless. Pyro is supposed to be our big damage… yet it hits for 140K outside of combustion and maybe 400-500K with combustion lol. FB does more damage than pyro lol. Blizz has again designed a class in which one spec is unplayable or uncompetitive and one side of their talent tree is never used. Is this going to be like DF raids… never see any mages (or locks)???
maybe just change the spell’s name to pyrospark? its easier
I totally agree Mages are the weakest DPS my tank can out DPS my Fire Mage. Plus mages where cloth which makes them die quicker than any other toon. Where is the Power that the highest DPS toons suppose to have. Mages are basically a liability. Nevertheless, they can give the team A Intel buff, and food or a portal after they die.
And don’t forget when we are dead, we can consume Grotesque Vial, turn into puddle of ooze and heal anyone who steps into us 
Go Mages!
Just did my first dungeon the other day, normal difficulty. I felt embarrassed. Was barely doing 220k, and that was only on longer fights where I could get my rotation going. I think I was around ilvl 545-550.
Just switched up a few talents this morning before maintenance and, with current ilvl 569, I was keeping a steady 335k-350k on a training dummy for about 6 minutes straight. I felt better about the increase, but still feeling way outclassed by everyone else.
Ive not played my mage since BC. So i am really out of the loop.
Why does fire seem to suck so badly now? Is it just an issue of raw numbers being low. Something a flat percentage buff would fix. Or is the spec broken from the core concept.
Ive not played since the duel trinket 3 min mage was a thing. So assume im extraordinarily ignorant.
Both. Fire offers nothing that frost or arcane bring, plus it is the lowest dps out of both.
In pvp you need glass cannon to play the spec or you hit like 250k pyroblasts, and it brings you to 5.4m hp when everyone else has 6.8-7.5m
Fire is in a rough place, but if you’re doing low dungeons like m0 or even heroics, make sure you play frostfire and flame strike. You can do decent AOE DMG at the cost of cringe ST with this build. Your overall on the meters will be respectable, definitely not top but certainly not tank level DMG.
Yea blizzard, think from this perspective. Pyroblast is the LONGEST cast single target spell and it doesn’t match anything. It hits for a fraction of what you would assume is the longest damage spell a mage has 120Kish. In the description it is a IMMENSE!? this is NOT immense, its like bringing a towel to a gun fight. A rogue’s white hits are larger. I’ve never seen a spec more broken. While your nerfing arcane are choices are diminishing
I haven’t tried Fire yet, but isn’t it always in a bad spot in the beginning because it’s always very gear dependent? This shouldn’t be the case each expansion, but usually is.
Yea give it a couple seasons and it changes from fire needs help to fire needs nerfs.
I love having to “try hard” just to beat the tank on the meters. Fire is in an unacceptable state right now. It desperately needs a complete rework and redesign.
come to frostfire, trust
You’re not supposed to be hard casting pyroblast except pull on boss.
If you are hard casting PB you do not know how to play Fire. The cast time of PB is not an issue here.
unless SKB
Oh yeah true, totally forgot about that.
Fire mages needs the balance of pyroblast and living bomb to be successful. Sunfury isn’t cutting it for me. I tried Sunfury in Delves … nope ! I went back to Firefrost .
This hasn’t been true in a long time. Fire was really good in season one of shadowlands then nerfed into oblivion, buffed like six times in sepulchre and was finally playable.
Fire was pretty balanced in early dragon flight but God awful to play imo. The rework in 10.1.5 saw it overtuned and incredibly powerful, until it was steadily nerfed, until only God comp synergy made it good in m+
Fire in bfa was pretty mediocre until borrowed power showed up in 8.2 .
At no point did “scaling” between patches matter compared to borrowed power and tuning. Frankly fire has been in a terrible state since legion, oscillating between God tier, unplayably bad, and occasionally just okay. It hasn’t been the right choice to bring to raid since 9.0 and exists as m+bait for most players who won’t be fighting trash beefy enough to make use of ignite
It needs buffs in pvp at least.
I’m I’ve been 2100+ since mop and I’m almost getting out dpsed by healers at 1300.
I’m fully min/maxed and pyro might crit for 300k on someone. Meanwhile I’m getting shadow bolted for 1400000 from a instant cast proc. There are legit like 15 classes that can hit in 1-2 crits what my whole combust go does.