It just feels so lackluster when compared to the other specs. Both themes, graphics and mechanics to a degree will be mentioned. (Suggestions on second post)
Fire mage are suppose to be volatile and the most spectacular (in vision) of the mage classes. They are based on the idea of preferring to solve issues by blowing them up in flames. Now compare Fire mage to Frost and Arcane. Fire is VERY lackluster in comparison. Arcane and Frost have amazing graphics and explosive effects to them, while Fire is trailing behind. The only things you can note about fire is Meteor and self-immolating with combustion...but that's it.
- You use Fireball (roughly 2.25 second cast) to build up for crits. That's fine.
- Pyroblast is literally a fireball..just slightly enlarged. The only way you can tell a difference is if you are looking closely and notice..that was a bigger fireball".
- Flamestrike...thee once core definition of Fire mage. The skill that a legendary weapon was named after. The literal skill we once played around with in WC3, from the first fire mage hero....is useless. The graphics are great but...it has next to no function. Flamestrike has roughly a 4.5 second cast but can be used with hot streak. It has HALF the damage of a Pyroblast and does not contribute to hot streaks. Unless you take the flame patch trait (which would cripple you elsewhere), you'd barely come close (but not even) to a pyroblast. Even when fighting groups of mobs, it is better to use pyroblast for the chance of proccing hot steaks than it is standing there shooting fireballs to hope for a crit to waste a flamestrike hot steak on.
It really is saddening to see Flamestrike in such a situation.
- Living bomb, a once basic part of a fire mage's kit..is now a talent. A talent that when picked, will reduce your damage output for singular mobs.
- What is the purpose of fire exactly. Burst? Arcane does that far more reliably and better. CC? Frost is king. AoE? Funny enough...not even that, unless you specifically spec for AoE and leave yourself crippled in dishing out damage. Fire has some great solo hits...but only if you have your combustion off CD. Once that is used up, you can find yourself in a very prickly situation.
Suggestions:
- For Pyroblast, perhaps simply add a hint of black flames. Let the idea of flame control be further exemplified here. If not, simply play with the hue and saturation to make it look far more unique.
- For Living bomb, just add this back to the main spells. Fire was suppose to be king at AoE once upon a time, could at least give this back without sacrificing something else.
- A bit controversial but perhaps change Flamestrike to be instant with a 4.5 second CD. This could add it back into rotations in general, especially with groups and without the feel of wasting a hot streak.
- For Pyroblast, perhaps simply add a hint of black flames. Let the idea of flame control be further exemplified here. If not, simply play with the hue and saturation to make it look far more unique.
- For Living bomb, just add this back to the main spells. Fire was suppose to be king at AoE once upon a time, could at least give this back without sacrificing something else.
- A bit controversial but perhaps change Flamestrike to be instant with a 4.5 second CD. This could add it back into rotations in general, especially with groups and without the feel of wasting a hot streak.
Lol wait lackluster compared to arcane?! With new ptr changes, fire is now the best spec lmfaooooo
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Now I am nothing special as a mage, no fancy PvE or PvP achievements to boast about, so feel free to disregard my opinions if you want, but here's my take on it.
I feel like Fire has better burst AoE than Arcane, especially if you go the Phoenix Flames route. Arcane also has the downside in that for their AoE, you basically have to be a melee class.
PvP-wise Fire works nicely as a turret. Take Flamecannon, position yourself in a raid, and just shoot away. You've got decent single target but you're also putting on decent pressure against the entire team due to flames spreading. You're basically living artillery. Arcane feels more like an "assassin" in which you pick out and focus down single targets.
I like the Fire spec. These days it feels like the most "complete" mage. You've got your fire spells for offense, still have your frost spells for defense, and arcane spells for utility.
I feel like Fire has better burst AoE than Arcane, especially if you go the Phoenix Flames route. Arcane also has the downside in that for their AoE, you basically have to be a melee class.
PvP-wise Fire works nicely as a turret. Take Flamecannon, position yourself in a raid, and just shoot away. You've got decent single target but you're also putting on decent pressure against the entire team due to flames spreading. You're basically living artillery. Arcane feels more like an "assassin" in which you pick out and focus down single targets.
I like the Fire spec. These days it feels like the most "complete" mage. You've got your fire spells for offense, still have your frost spells for defense, and arcane spells for utility.
10/31/2018 04:37 PMPosted by GnoviaLol wait lackluster compared to arcane?! With new ptr changes, fire is now the best spec lmfaooooo
Do you know what lackluster means? Im saying uneventful and bland. You dont feel like a fire mage
Arcane has very explosive graphics and flavor.
BM hunter is also consider the "lmao best spec", but it is so boring and dull that few want to use it outside of raids.
10/31/2018 10:10 PMPosted by MalajalDo you know what lackluster means? Im saying uneventful and bland. You dont feel like a fire mage
Arcane has very explosive graphics and flavor.
I got comments in Discord just now from my friends while we were running the mythic dungeon weekly about how cool the graphics of the fire mage are.
I mean, if Living Bomb and Meteor among other things aren't flashy enough for you, I just don't know what to say. Now there's absolutely nothing wrong with liking Arcane, and their spell effects are just as pretty, but to say Fire doesn't have any is just disingenuous.
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I don't know about you, but in graphics that delicious Meteor magic rune/circle is just awesome to look at. But yeah, Pyroblast and Fireball need a little more added to them. They feel so small.
Arcane is the best of the 3 in terms of graphcs with TotM and Nether Tempest being the ones I enjoy looking at the most.
Arcane is the best of the 3 in terms of graphcs with TotM and Nether Tempest being the ones I enjoy looking at the most.
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Who cares. Only output matters, we could give two !@#$s what the spell looks like.
I love how it feels personally. I wouldn't complain if it were even more fiery but I love the hot streak pyro sound effect, the insane inferno of combustion and the explosiveness of meteor.
Meteor is indeed spectacular but Meteor is only about it. I even mentioned in my original post that Meteor and combustion are the only interesting graphics we really have. Meteor is also a selected talent, rather than in a core rotation..so imagine a Fire mage without meteor...not interesting.
Frost and Arcane have so much going for them that truly does exhibit the idea of 'Power' and 'Elemental control'. You see things that are breathtaking. A miniature storm of ice, ice comets striking, a blizzard raining down for frost. For Arcane you see a massive ball of arcane energy flying at the enemy, missles being fired, a nebula shooting out from them, heck even them firing off a blast of arcane energy around them (and repeatedly instantly).
Fire just needs that feel of power. Fire mage are suppose to be the masters of Fire magic. Why is that just not truly exhibited?
- Add the idea of different colors of flames. This would show mastery. Black flames, blue flames, etc.
- I honestly adore Flamestrike and I am disheartened at how it is untouchable in BfA. Please consider changing it.
Frost and Arcane have so much going for them that truly does exhibit the idea of 'Power' and 'Elemental control'. You see things that are breathtaking. A miniature storm of ice, ice comets striking, a blizzard raining down for frost. For Arcane you see a massive ball of arcane energy flying at the enemy, missles being fired, a nebula shooting out from them, heck even them firing off a blast of arcane energy around them (and repeatedly instantly).
Fire just needs that feel of power. Fire mage are suppose to be the masters of Fire magic. Why is that just not truly exhibited?
- Add the idea of different colors of flames. This would show mastery. Black flames, blue flames, etc.
- I honestly adore Flamestrike and I am disheartened at how it is untouchable in BfA. Please consider changing it.
Remember old Arcane? Check out the tutorial from 2010.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISsOjfHgtws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISsOjfHgtws
I dunno man the whole reason I left arcane for fire was because arcane felt and looked so boring. It even sounded boring lol
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11/02/2018 03:46 AMPosted by KubiakI dunno man the whole reason I left arcane for fire was because arcane felt and looked so boring. It even sounded boring lol
I liked Arcane, but then Blizz decided to utterly obliterate its PvP viability not too long ago.
11/02/2018 01:27 PMPosted by Kreivos11/02/2018 03:46 AMPosted by KubiakI dunno man the whole reason I left arcane for fire was because arcane felt and looked so boring. It even sounded boring lol
I liked Arcane, but then Blizz decided to utterly obliterate its PvP viability not too long ago.
Along with a big nerf to PvE as well via azerite traits. Arcane was T1, now middle of the pack. Spamming the ear piercing arcane explosion, followed up by arcane barrage gets tiresome quickly and eventually becomes intolerable for a lot of players including myself. Arcane orb talent, or whatever it is called, needs to become baseline.
Fire mage feels terrible, but it can 1 shot a player in a stun, and cc while combustion is on CD
I love fire right now, i feel its fun and it feels pretty action packed. Proc's break up any rotation fatigue and nuking mofo's is cool as.
I like fire right now. They could spruce up the talent tree as there are too many mandatory talents (or just some rows have weak options not worth picking anytime).
Flame On, Ice Ward, Ring of Frost, Shimmer should be baseline.
Spruce up Kindling.
Flame On, Ice Ward, Ring of Frost, Shimmer should be baseline.
Spruce up Kindling.
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11/02/2018 03:46 AMPosted by KubiakI dunno man the whole reason I left arcane for fire was because arcane felt and looked so boring. It even sounded boring lol
I really dislike the new Arcane missiles cast. The old one is much more iconic. Now its just a purple flurry imo
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Here’s my input:
-I think Kindling should be baseline.
It’s just not that exciting as a T7 talent or even as viable as the alternatives on that tier. Unlike the main damage Cd’s on the other two specs, Combustion is easily the most important ability your entire kit, it provides all of you’re biggest damage spikes. So making that baseline would make the spec feel alot healthier and more consistent overall.
-Mirror images needs to get buffed
Need i say more? Every mage player should know why.
-Pyromaniac needs it’s proc rate increased to 15%
As it is, 8% is just an absurdly low chance, sometimes it feels like you dont even have a talent in that tier. And even when it actually DOES proc, it can usually screw with your combustion crit chains if you’re not careful and can cause you to waste a fire blast. Not to mention that searing touch is not only far more consistent, but it also deals more overall damage, in that it feeds you guaranteed crits at low health.
Imo, it’s mostly just a few talents and overeliance on gear lvl to be competitive, but a design and playstyle standpoint the spec feels solid.
-I think Kindling should be baseline.
It’s just not that exciting as a T7 talent or even as viable as the alternatives on that tier. Unlike the main damage Cd’s on the other two specs, Combustion is easily the most important ability your entire kit, it provides all of you’re biggest damage spikes. So making that baseline would make the spec feel alot healthier and more consistent overall.
-Mirror images needs to get buffed
Need i say more? Every mage player should know why.
-Pyromaniac needs it’s proc rate increased to 15%
As it is, 8% is just an absurdly low chance, sometimes it feels like you dont even have a talent in that tier. And even when it actually DOES proc, it can usually screw with your combustion crit chains if you’re not careful and can cause you to waste a fire blast. Not to mention that searing touch is not only far more consistent, but it also deals more overall damage, in that it feeds you guaranteed crits at low health.
Imo, it’s mostly just a few talents and overeliance on gear lvl to be competitive, but a design and playstyle standpoint the spec feels solid.
11/09/2018 08:16 AMPosted by Pyrogarovereliance on gear lvl to be competitive
This is luckily no longer an issue for Fire, and has not been since Fire's Legion rework.