Finally blizz realizing classic needs retail systems

The only good thing about wrath is the classes feel good to play. No borrowed power and every class doesn’t have a heal, defensive, and 10 dps cooldowns.

Mythic 5mans is a huge win. Add wow token, cross realm, updated AH UI, RDF, updated character models and we are looking at a huge W

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How about you just go back to retail instead?

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Making a new MMO is better spent on new from the ground up.

What does the wow token have to do in the slightest with harder 5 man’s? Go play retail if you want wow tokens in game and spend all the hard earned RL dollars you like.

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I think blizz is unfixable as a company that refuses to listen to playerbase. At this point one can hope they could emulate a private server as best as possible, because that is as close to authentic will ever get.

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The problem is different portions of the playerbase wants different (usually diametrically opposed) things.

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Yikes man I love the og models

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was it too much to ask that things stay the same as they are on old wrath clients?

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Apparently, yes.

“Turn classic into retail but its not retail because uhhh…”

Touch grass.

Mythic+ is not being added to WOTLK

Why does this matter? Release the game as it were, p servers have proven the game as it were(in lower quality than blizzard I might add) is still wildly popular. What is the point otherwise? Classic was not supposed to be some new project for new systems… I was a #somechanges guy and now I see 100% why #nochanges was the way… Wrath is borderline ruined at this point in terms of authenticity to the original.

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I didn’t say it was a problem. I was specifically replying to “they don’t listen to the players.” Just because they may not be currently listening to whatever faction (you, or I, or anyone) is in doesn’t mean they aren’t listening to players. They just may be listening to a different group of players.

That was my only point.

you can see why the #nochanges crowd was fighting so hard from the beginning of classic vanilla to not change a thing

the slope was so slippery, we slid so hard that we fell off the edge straight into retail

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Despite what you think they are listening to players… otherwise they would’ve never made any of these changes in the first place…

Why the hell would blizzard EVER put resources into changing ANYTHING unless they felt like they needed to in order to keep players around.

“MOOONEEY” - Mr Krabs

I honestly don’t have a horse in the race for #nochanges #somechanges #allthechanges whatever. I will play it and if I enjoy myself I will keep playing, if not I won’t. I just can’t get this emotionally invested either way. No that people who do are wrong, it’s just not me.

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based true and real.

they should also add in dragon flying and dracthyr into WOTLK while they are at it and implement the dragon isle and change the name on the login screen from WOTLK to Dragonflight.

Yes yes, the “cOmMuNiTy CoUnCiL” = listening to the players. GTFOH with that, no one asked for heroic+ lol.

At this point I am ready for Starcraft MMO. But I imagine it will be as toxic as this place, and filled with poor design choices over time that completely obliterate the game and try and build it back up again.