Few extra points about pro-LFD that have been missed

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A lot of great arguments both for and against LFD, but I feel like the following points have been missed

This first one not so much missed but not enough emphasis - I, as will other’s, will play far less without LFD. The amount of times in TBC I’ve logged in wanting to play the game on a non-raid night and run dungeons as a DPS only to stare at the bulletin board addon for 10 to 30 minutes trying my best to snipe a whisper in for an invite before somebody else to eventually turn WoW off is enough that I don’t even try anymore. I just raid log. Before anybody says make your own group… I do… I try… For it to eventually fall apart when I can’t find a tank or a healer while players drop left and right for other groups that already have Tanks/heals. I know I’m guilty of leaving somebodies group to get into a faster dungeon group.

This applies even worse for alt’s where nobody is even looking for dungeons - It’s just boosts and getting through 1 - 70 as fast as possible.

This second point ties into people even looking for dungeons - The fact that you can queue and forget with LFD lets me experience the game in-between dungeons. What I mean by that statement I’m able to queue up, forget about it, go do some dailies, farm nodes, play around in the AH etc. Basically just play the game while I’m queued. The problem with looking for a dungeon without LFD is you’re 100% focused on finding the group, you’re staring at an addon the entire time or /LFG hoping to snipe a spot. It’s seriously draining as hell and I’m blown away people want another xpac of that.

Last thing is everybody that is pro-LFD, please don’t stop posting and commenting on the forums, we need to get through to the devs, make your points as respectfully as possible even though we’re upset. I truly believe it’s integral to the health of the game/population. I want to make so many alts and play the hell out of this game and without LFD things that made wotlk what it was all those years ago is gone.

Thanks

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I’m doing this right now, as a T6 prot pally. Just staring mindlessly at the LFG Bulletin Board. I hate this. I LOVED RDF because, as you stated, I could do something else. Tab out, watch a video, play a different game, go mining, farming, etc. Or as a tank, the queue would just pop. Either way, I’m not simply logged in, staring at an addon.

I genuinely LOVE RDF as a tank. Even if I outgeared the content (especially so). It was a fun thing to just do at times. The RNG nature of “what dungeon will I get!?” was kinda fun as well.

I just… I don’t get this. I truly don’t. I’m one of those players that played Fury/Prot in classic to be a tank, in order to be a pally tank for TBC, in order to be a pally tank in WoTLK, and 1 big aspect was to spam RDF as a fun way to play the game. They now (for seemingly no good EXPLAINED reason) removed it. This hurts, a lot.

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I just can’t. This news is becoming detirmential to my health and causing my anxeity to go out of control. I am teird of seeing people who see that I am sad to see LFD go gloat in it and tell me to leave.

I need to find a good movie or game and relax. Maybe I will finnaly watch Alice in Wonderland for the first time in ages. It is funny. It is my fav movie and I never watch it as I want to save it for a good time. That works out well for me.

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Definitely second the doing dungeons just for fun as a pally tank. One of the biggest highlights in wotlk was just queue spamming to do dungeons for fun as a pally tank. I feel without RDF it just becomes far too difficult to create the party for a fun 10 minute dungeon decimation for the hell of it, so I just won’t do it at all…

Yeah I also feel that hurt. When they announced no RDF every ounce of hype I had just vanished.

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A big thumbs up from me

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Oh yeah, definitely. I love being prot pala in TBC and Wrath. But the thought of logging in and scrolling thru endless LFG chat filled wit gdkp just to find a group is rather grim…I’ts NO fun.

This is why I am a lot more active on retail. Time/Effort getting into GAMEPLAY is a lot quicker. RDF/LFD allowed for the same experinece. Log in. Hit a button. Go play the game. Log off.

I hate this part.
Even when I find something to do, I whisper the person…2…4…5…10. And never get a reply. A very handful of folks will reply, “FULL”, but in 9/10 instances your whisper gets into the void.

Same goes for when I try to form a group. Just not a pleasing experience. Sure. It was 20 years ago…but it’s been 20 years.

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Don’t give up they eventually have to hear us, they claim to be all about the community after all

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I can’t even begin to imagine why you’d feel the need to stare at the addon for long periods of time. There’s a sound notification if someone mentions dungeons you’re looking for in any of the selected chats so if you’re waiting to hear someone looking for more, you only need to look at the addon when you hear the notification.

If you’re trying to form your own group, you can simply make a macro that sends a message to the channel(s) of your choosing and you can press that macro periodically while you play.

Neither LFG or LFM require you to stop playing WoW.

I have a lot of respect for that. These forums would be a much better place if people could have constructive feedback and discussion with one another rather than everything devolving into childish fits. I’m glad there are at least some people here sharing their mind with some reason rather than purely their frustration.

The period of Wrath with no dungeon finder was longer than the period with it. Nothing about the essense of Wrath is lost in leaving dungeon finder out of the Classic release. However, I certainly can’t disagree with you if you’d ask for dungeon finder to be implemented with ICC as it was originally – That’s just recreating the actual experience.

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First of all I have no idea what sound option you are referring to but either way, if you are playing on a highly populated server at the height of TBCC the dungeon you were looking for was constantly being spammed like quite literally every second messages were popping up (i’m sure if i had a sound i would have turned it off, maybe it was good for a low pop server?) But you had no choice as a DPS to be constantly spamming your paste button every second to every new group popping up.

If you wanted to actually find a group in a some what reasonable time line you had to try to look for a group you couldn’t feasibly start your own group unless you had a tank friend or paid for one, 99 times out of 100.

You needed to stare and engage with the addon endlessly, and many many times I stopped playing because it became too much.

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Thanks for the reply!

The reason I tend to stare at it is because I don’t want to potentially miss getting a spot for the dungeon I want. As a DPS, especially a hunter, we’re not required in any dungeon, in-fact people would prefer not to take a single target pumper. So getting in early is my best chance.

When it comes to forming my own I’ll still refer to the points made - But personally I get a bit of group anxiety for not forming fast enough, worried about people dropping off and creating a domino effect, especially when you’ve managed to get yourself a healer and they’re waiting around for ages I’m anxious they’re going to get cherry picked into another group and I start from square one.

My last point is this is a third party addon… We’re all using it for the extra convenience and isn’t something implemented by Blizzard which I think is kinda ironic, I feel if it was never made I’d really love to see the kind of response from the Anti-RDF crowd.

I would, personally, love for it to be implemented ASAP, but it would make complete sense for it to be implemented when it did in the original game. Can’t imagine any complaints being made from either party with that.

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While true it was extremely close, a lot closer than most people actually remember. Wrath launched 13th November, 2008 - Patch 3.3.0 Released December 9, 2009 (fractionally over 1 year) Cataclysm didn’t launch until December 7, 2010. We had an entire year with Dungeon finder and 3.3.0 onward was the height of Wrath. So we basically had the same amount of time with and with out RDF, and the 50% of the expansion RDF was in was the biggest and most prosperous state of the expansion

Make of that what you will.

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I’m pretty sure it’s on by default. If you don’t have it though:

  • Right-click the LFG Bulletin Board minimap icon > Check “On new request make a sound notification”.
    or
  • ESC > Interface > AddOns > LFG Bulletin Board > About halfway down, there’s a check box that reads “On new request make a sound notification”. Check that.

It uses the same sound as dragging and dropping a ring or neck piece.

You can set up the addon to filter stuff out. I think you can get it to only notify you if a someone posts a keyword in the message, such as “LFM DPS”. Anyway, if people are spamming the dungeons you want so much, why do you have trouble running them?

I can’t speak to the experience you’ve had, but there have only been a small handful of times when I genuinely struggled to find a tank or healer when I made my own group. I’ve played on huge realms and nearly dead ones.

If you’re open to some advice: You can make a macro for the command to open up the addon with /gbb and hit that button whenever you hear a notification. Then all you need to do is click on the message and paste your message like “70 BM hunter, geared etc…”. Or you could always just keep the window open very small and click on the messages once you get a notification for it if you don’t want to press a key to open the window.

Being quick is genuinely pretty easy, even on highly populated realms! I mostly play DPS myself, but it hasn’t stopped me from getting into groups most of the time.

Yeah, I feel that. We have the exact same feeling. xD I find myself apologizing over and over to my group and even trying to update them often “No one’s biting, but I’m still looking…” just so they know I’m not sitting idle while they wait. That’s one thing that definitely sucks about leading the group!

I can definitely see what you mean. The experience would definitely be a bit different without being able to use addons. However, I think the addon is mostly necessary because there’s so much extra spam in LFG channels. There’s such a huge amount of trade spam (selling carries) in a channel that’s meant for people looking for groups, it hurts the experience for others who are just trying to run a dungeon.

That being said, back in actual Wrath when there wasn’t constant booster spam clogging every channel, I got on just fine forming or joining dungeon groups and I didn’t use an addon then. I actually did use the LFG tool in Wrath and I loved it. It was so much better then than what we have in TBC, so I’m really excited to use it again in Wrath Classic.

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  • Wrath of the Lich King systems and balance were implemented during its pre-patch (3.0.2) on October 14th, 2008.
  • 420 days pass.
  • Dungeon Finder is introduced in patch 3.3.0 on December 8th, 2009 along with Icecrown Citadel and it’s 5-man dungeons among other things.
  • 308 days pass.
  • Cataclysm systems and balance were implemented during its pre-patch (4.0.1) on October 12th, 2010.

We had Wrath without dungeon finder for 112 days longer than we had Wrath with it. So if we’re deciding whether it’s truly part of the “Wrath experience” based on how long we had it, it wouldn’t make that cut.

We had more content phases without dungeon finder than we had with it. There was no dungeon finder for 3 raiding tiers (T7, T8 and T9), and then we had it for 1 raiding tier (T10). If you include non-tiers (Eye of Eternity, Obsidium Sanctum, Ruby Sanctum, Onyxia) the amount of content becomes 6 raids without dungeon finder, 2 raids with it. Either way, there’s 3 times as many raids without dungeon finder than with, whether you count non-tier raids or not. Even if you don’t count Onyxia (since it was an anniversary event), there’s still more than double the raids.

If you disagree with me on Wrath starting at patch 3.0.0… :

Even if we DO pretend that an expansion only counts as an expansion while it’s actual content is live, we had 390 days without it and 363 days with it. Even with a handicap, Wrath had more time without than with it and there’s still the fact that we had much more content without dungeon finder than with it. Even being biased against the idea that Wrath officially began once we hit patch 3.0.0+, it still doesn’t make dungeon finder a necessity for an “authentic” Wrath Classic.

But that is how it works. An expansion’s major systems, engine updates and balance changes are implemented in it’s pre-patch. Hence, the Wrath pre-patch (3.0.2) starts with a 3 because that’s when the game files themselves transition from BC to Wrath. The only thing that isn’t implemented during the pre-patch is the content itself (increased level cap, quests, access to zones, dungeons/raids). Dungeon finder is a system feature that wasn’t implemented at launch (just like guild banks), not content.

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Because the party leader is being spammed as well with inv’s, you have to get lucky to be invited, on top of that they are checking classes of people and only inviting specific classes, there is a magnitude of reasons why it’s hard to get an invite

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that’s an extremely disingenuous attempt to make it seem much more of a time line that suits your point of view, including wrath pre-patch is just stupid, also including cata pre-patch is completely nonsensical and irrelevant to any point being made. just take it from Wrath Launch to Wrath End, simple. Doesn’t change the fact the most prosperous and most played and successful part of the expansion had RDF.

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If you’re having trouble finding groups because of your class, you should form a group! I was absolutely blown away by how easy it is to form a group – Partially because I’m not picky about class myself when I do. Sometimes you need to be the change you want to see!

What server do you play on?

See:

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Iv’e already stated starting a group was not feasible, please stop going around in circles with suggestions, im welcome to questions and feedback but let’s not circle.

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completely irrelevant gibberish. my point still stands.

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What realm do you play on, that forming a group is “not feasible”?

What part? And why?

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Completely irrelevant now seeing as the height of TBCC is well and truly over and even i have long given up trying to run dungeons or pay tanks.

see

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