Time to unnerf the upcoming nerf, or back towards the bottom the kitties go! Check the pin in the feral disc and follow the link to the TOGC logs. Unbelievable! Put your kittens in the kennel until ICC.
whats the upcoming nerf? i didnt hear about it
I’d never invite a feral dps to ICC. Imagine the lich king fight. It’s a giant flat surface, they’d just push us all off with shadow traps
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The buff that they previously got is becoming a glyph. So they have to sacrifice a glyph to get FF to proc OoC every time.
Why they didnt do this from the beginning - when it was what they did with rets- is mind boggling.
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Probably because it was done via hotfix, and i don’t think they can hotfix in a brand new item that isn’t in the game files, which would have pushed it to the next phase.
Sometimes people skip parts of processes because they think they’ve got it, or everything just looks right.
And then they make changes to compensate. Remember when they changed… what did they change? Was it Predatory Instincts to be 5% instead of 10% and that was a horrible change that made everything worse for both PVE and PVP, and they then backed out of it.
If they need to bring that damage nerf back, they could always slap it on the glyph now that tanks/pvp specs won’t be using it.
If they make any more changes to feral, I’d be really, really disappointed. They should have just left them alone.
I hadn’t really seen anybody complain about bearweaving; sure some people didn’t like the threat (maybe a minor glyph could have helped here?) and some people just didn’t do it. But, it was a fun and interesting flavor for feral.
Why they decided to make any changes is odd, imo. And then to just push them live, then make a compensatory knee-jerk change was quite literally the worst experience I’ve ever gone through in all of my history playing WoW (which might speak volumes as to how great my experiences have been, actually! lol).
Sure, but why? It’s not as if the initial change they made makes feral too strong anyway.
Firstly, I don’t think they should have made any change to ferals whatsoever.
Secondly, having made the first change, they should have just been fine with it. Making additional changes, especially game-breakingly bad changes that hurt the experience is simply not fun.
The change to the OoC glyph is so minor that it may as well not have been made, imo, but at the same time it’s not something to complain about either way. However, it does exacerbate the entire process of having multiple changes in an unfun manner applied to a spec for a class that was doing fine, and fun to play as it was.
I guess I’ll swap out my Glyph of Berserk for Glyph of Omen of Clefairy.
There’s a reasonable argument to be made that buffing a spec’s top end potential in ICC to that beyond the strongest Shadowmourne wielding class is “too strong,” given the utility that feral brings to a raid.
They didn’t really need a buff in the first place, and getting a massive one as part of wanting to simplify the rotation was definitely a mistake.
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Eh a lot of people disliked bear weaving, not so much because of the threat, but just because it was a janky annoying rotation.
The new rotation plays a lot better and even after the nerf coming will still do better than bear weaving so meh.
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Then really they should have waited till that proved to be true instead of preemptively nerfing something that’s currently not a problem and might actually be a problem in ICC.
But whatever it’s still an improvement over bear weaving.
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Replacing Glyph of Rip among Rip, Shred, and Savage Roar seems to be the lowest DPS decrease.
| Glyph | P2 | P3 | P4 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Rip | 128 | 132 | 137 |
| SR | 237 | 272 | 375 |
| Shred | 212 | 232 | 252 |
ref: https://github.com/b-r-a-n/pywowsims/blob/main/feral_glyph_impact.ipynb
Sure, however from my (admittedly limited) experience with talking with other feral druids, those who didn’t like it simply didn’t do it. My perspective may not be representative of any given self-identified or externally-identified “group,” but at least I personally found Bearweaving to be an interesting dynamic.
Certainly, but as my forum posting colleague Ziryus points outs:
While I tend to agree with this; I think feral was fine where it was, though of course it wasn’t as if anyone was inviting ferals to 10m hard modes (nor are they particularly now either, but even less before), at least some people didn’t like the bearweaving playstyle, and their sentiment may echo:
Replacing Rip glyph just means ferals will be doing a few less ferocious bites so yeah not a huge loss since feral often ends up full on combo points but not using bite since it would lead to rip or SR dropping off anyways.
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It’s a small change overall, and if anything it helps keep inscription relevant as you’ll want to swap out Glyph of OoC for Rip when respecc’ing for PVP, and vice-versa.
True, but i can see also some possible comp uses for different setups. Overall the changes don’t kill us, and still a fun build to play.
The only issue i take with all this is that blizzard is opened a can of worms on what is honestly a easy sauce expansion in terms of the difficulty level. Justification could be made for hard mode raiding in Cata but not wrath; literally the easiet expansion of all time.
I mention that because now every class and spec is open for buffs…
I think “changes” is more accurate than “buffs.” The changes to Feral may well have been more to prevent Bearweaving than to try to balance damage, but for sure that’s a can of worms that could have been left unopened, imo.
Yeah., what makes me truly nervous is now that the can of worms is opened they may buff things like Frost Mage (my main) or sub rogue, Arms warrior; already powerful PvP specs to be PvE competitors… and while that sounds nice on paper its bad for the game because it breaks PvP even more than it already is.
Again, I’m skeptical that the changes to feral had anything to do with buffing feral, but rather were intended to prevent Bearweaving.
I’d be curious as to what behaviors frost mage, sub rogue, etc. may be exhibiting that Blizzard would want to prevent in the same way.