Feral is godly, finally!

It’ll help, definitely. But Omens procs are unpredictable and at the mercy of RNG. Could see 2 back to back, could go a full 30 seconds only to proc one at the end of the trash pack.

But if you play with MoC talent, you get quite a few procs, and therefor Cats-eye is definitely going to shine.

But I prefer BT style play, and as such I’ve adapted to the slower more energy starved game play. Plus, most of the content i do is heavy AoE. Bloodtalon empowered Primal Wrath’s make me all warm and fuzzy inside lol

Not sure where you are getting feral is top dps tier, not only are we not but you will be passed up for other DPS pretty easily.

Edit: I have come to realize that the OP was not being serious /woosh
(or he is serious and ate too much cat nip)

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So frame of reference, what overall numbers are we talking about here? I’d like to compare by the time I get around to doing dungeons and have similar ilvl.

We are feral not sub we will always be energy starved.
Don’t forget that they gave tiger’s fury to rogue but they didnt give us Shadow Techniques.

If the fight is expected to last less than 30 sec, feral druid is top tier dps.

Unfortunately… I have now outdamaged a few ferals as guardian since launch. Hoping gear disparity was the reason.

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Update again, I’m doing 3-4k on trash packs without CDs and 2.5kish on bosses with CDs (Venthyr) at 179 ilvl.

Comparatively it feels pretty good but still gets out classed by hunters/locks and Spriest.

Yup. Tried 15 group a day after release… and all declined.

The only thing objectively worse than a “tier list”, especially this early in an expansion, is the people who actually follow them.

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Is that cause to ring the alarm bells though? The vast majority of specs aren’t hunters/priests and those two being overtuned doesn’t mean Feral is in a bad spot. Just means those two are overtuned. I’d be more worried if we were losing to everyone, not just the top dogs.

I agree wholeheartedly. A lesson I think more people in the community could stand to learn: the gap between player skill will typically be much more impactful than the gap between class tuning. I would much rather have a world-class Feral than a bargain bin Shadow Priest.

Unless they are orange parsing consistently, players should look to see what they can improve in their own play before blaming their class for their performance. If you’re only as good as 50th percentile then half the people you meet will beat you regardless of what class they play. Tuning isn’t as tight as I would like but it’s not so out of whack that class choice matters as much as this board seems to think it does.

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No I don’t think so, but I do think that something should be fixed with the energy regen or DoT damage to help a bit with single target. However, the legendarys may* fix that.

Legendaries and Conduits are going to be playing a big part going forward

Follow up on another update: ilvl 165, seeing some 3-5k trash pack pulls, and bursting to 5-7k ST (convoke), ending overall anywhere between 2.5k-3k depending on how good the group does.

Just ran a Heroic Spires dungeon with a 171 DH and a 175 Ret Pally, and still coming out on top on overall damage (not by much, only beat the DH by about 200k overall damage), and was neck and neck for the most part with the Ret Pally for ST.

Dunno about the rest of you, but the better my group is, I feel the better I preform (as in I’m actually paying attention a lot more and trying to time things perfectly), and it’s pushing me to do better.

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I understand and agree with your point, but the options aren’t always Best WoW Feral and Braindead Shadow priest, if ever. There are a plethora of skill levels in between which makes up the community and given the understanding that most of those people are exceptionally average the one class that does head over heals more damage is the class to pick.

I agree tier list on launch is dumb, I agree player skill is all that really matters but when the disparity is so large is it the fault of the community as a whole or the class design itself?

I blame the community. A lot of people like to roll FotM. So when you have streamers/theory crafters/beta testers saying Spriests are the best spec in the game for SL, you’ll have people giving up everything and rolling Spriest.

And this is where skill shines. You have us Ferals who, according to the aforementioned peoples, should have no chance against Spriests and Hunters and Mages…yet here a lot of us are, beating them out more times than that.

I think this also plays into the fact that our damage in short burst windows is fantastic - so stronger overall groups allow that to shine more on quicker kills.

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Right but this happens in literally everything, blaming the community is like blaming the wind for a hurricane. People want to be the best the problem isn’t that people just have skewed opinions the problem is their skewed opinions are generally correct.
The fact is Shadow priest does more damage than a feral pound for pound and sure I could play shadow so poorly a decent feral could easily beat me but to assume that a majority let alone all shadow priest player are brain dead is just juvenil.

Oh no you’re absolutely correct in that assessment. And I fully agree (mind you I wasn’t exactly referring to Spriest players being brain dead). Just more so along the lines of “tier” upon xpac release.

For equal skill/gear, yes, an Spriest will do more pound for pound. But this is where skill comes in. I’d take almost any of us Ferals over the “average” FotM reroller Spriest.