Feral druid without Manual crowd pummeler

Strongly debatable, but the reason MCP is so valuable for bears and cats is you don’t scale with weapon damage in the first place, so the only real way to increase your DPS is to make you attack faster.

Pretty sure for every melee (and hunter) auto attacks make up a very large portion of your damage. More for rogue/warrior, but cat should be seeing auto as a large chunk.

You also prefer Strength over Agility. Druids get 2 melee AP per 1 Str, whereas they get 1 melee AP per 1 Agi - 50% as strong. They do get additional crit chance, but the threshold is so high the raw AP is better.

EDIT: Going off of the guide I’m looking at (which is, admittedly, for private servers) for clarification, it does look like Agi is more valuable prior to 33% buffed crit. So that is something to keep in mind, until higher gear levels you’ll probably value Agility more - though they still say to look for a 2:1 ratio of Str to Agi.

This mentality has been around since MMOs existed dekkar

do you play classic or are you just here to troll me? :stuck_out_tongue:

Having the mindset of “i wanna be the best dps” has always annoyed me, considering in a 40man you can offer so much more than just “pure dps”

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Exactly. Feral isn’t about raw DPS, it’s about solid DPS while offering flexibility - Rogues and fully DPS spec’d Warriors don’t offer any utility other than raw damage. Feral can offheal or offtank where needed but do far more damage than a Warrior offtank would do when not tanking.

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No.

Powershifting allows a Cat to generate over 50% more energy, and thats even accounting for the loss that accounts waiting for the GCD to cycle.

Cats don’t need weapon scaling, we have elevated AP to offset that…which of course scales with crit.

Cats in BWL are usually pushing 2500 AP.

However FB damage is a static value and hits very hard with talents, a Cat needs to bring that into play as much as possible.

If your playing Cat correctly auto attack will fall behind FB and Shred damage. MCP only helps auto attack…

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Did that grind and I don’t feel like doing it again. I got to level 2 and was like…eh…
Everyone has always had the mindset.

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A druid using MCP will out-DPS a druid not using it - until they get to the FAP level of weapons, but that’s much later. I wouldn’t begrudge someone wanting to use it myself, but that’s how it is.

Of course, if someone wants to do max DPS or threat, MCP is what they need. Otherwise they can stick with basically a Warden Staff forever as a bear.

Then why are you here?

I dunno man having the dps players trying to be the best dps they can is kind of important…

he usually trolls people who want playable high elves for alliance. this is the first time i’ve seen him come to troll people who play classic. :stuck_out_tongue:

Feral without mcp is fine for all 5-20 man content, it’s also fine for Ony-MC. BWL and up is a bit more tricky but not impossible

The logic that raw DPS is the only thing that matters just isn’t correct. Max DPS for the spec is a good thing to look out for, but you should not be running purely Mages, Warriors, and Rogues - they bring almost no utility. You still need Warlocks to buff the Mages (and for their shard abilities), you need a Priest to buff the Warlocks (later anyway), you need other classes to buff the Warriors and Rogues. You don’t need top tier DPS - you need flexibility. Druids offer that. They’re great healers, have Innervate/BRes, and in the case of Feral can offheal or tank and also DPS.

You shouldn’t turn away someone playing a class that does less DPS just because of that.

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Not when your class can provide other things needed then pure DPS

I’m not saying don’t bring a feral druid even though it is sub optimal to bring cat dps and even lotp doesn’t make up the difference a 5th rogue or pure dps would bring.
All the other druid utility is bought from healers.

What i am saying is dont bring a dps that can’t even be bothered trying to be the best at his class because then you have a suboptimal spec being played poorly and that does bring down everyone.

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I mean don’t bring anyone playing suboptimally if you can help it, but if it’s farm I wouldn’t demand people use consumables… including MCP.

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You don’t need to be crazy best in slotted to be useful in a raid. Often players with worse gear were more productive because they followed instructions better and were more clever with their kits

Contributing to a raid is way more than sheer DPS. Even for DPS classes.

Who are you to be asking? Bugger off m8

Sure do whatever you want on farm content, but no one plays the game going “wow raids sound fun i sure hope they bring me along when this is on farm”

These are the Classic forums. If you have no interest in Classic, I don’t think you need to be here - and belittling people isn’t an interest in the game. You’ve clearly said you had no interest in it.

I assume people will be putting forth the effort for progression - I certainly hope they will. And that includes MCP if you are a druid trying to be competitive.

Congratulations are being able to identify where you are located on the internet?

What you think does not matter thankfully. You can get your whole “only people who are doing something I agree with can talk to me” nonsense out of here.

Who have I belittled?

My prerogative not yours. You’re doing an excellent job showing how welcoming the classic community can be.