You’re always the top damage in our raid stop asking for buffs please
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It’s because I got coaching from the Grizzler only through his immense power could I have risen through the ranks and parsed green just like him.
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This just proves you aren’t reading what i’m saying and just looking for anything to argue about, its pathetic. you realise the buff to its direct damage also buffs its total overall damage? Or have you become so senile you don’t understand this. A buff to its direct damage to make its direct damage a lot more increases the overall damage of the spell which made it to the point where it’s very easily better than other talents. Almost like thats what buffing a spell does. It makes it better, Who knew clearly not you.
Already told you this is wrong guess you missed that part, the raw damage of swarm does more than MoC like i said it’s very provable in sims maybe go do some research for once. So showing me that the “reason” is wrong when your reason is wrong is crazy xd
Already proved this wrong, 40% isn’t much apparently according to you classic grizzle moment.
My story has been kept straight, you only focused on the direct damage of swarm and how other talents are better at doing direct damage, when i specifically said the overall damage is what makes it better, I only said the buff made it clear of other talents which is correct by the way since buffing the direct damage buffs the overall damage of swarm, have to repeat myself so you get it since i’m talking to a senile old man.
This is a 80% increase in damage by the way, swarm doing 4.5% direct damage is extremely high considering this is the secondary part of the spell so thank you for proving my point. It’s providing 2.5% more damage which is a lot feral recently got aura buffed by 2.6% for context.
Once again I have to completely destroy every single one of your points, and you are still yet to make a correct point. this is crazy, is your superiority complex that bad that you don’t know how to say I was wrong and drop it?
A 2% overall increase isn’t what made it “omg we HAVE to take this talent” choice lol
You didn’t. I showed you the logs of it only being a 2-3% increase in overall damage from DF to TWW.
Which the only thing that changed was the direct damage, from your own words, lol meaning that you think the direct damage change is why it’s being picked lol. You keep going back and forth to fit your narrative.
Aura buffs go unnoticed due to how little those buffs are, thank you for proving my point. Also:
This is meaningless when the base number is so low. You could increase the drop rate of Invincible or Ashes of Al’ar by 500% and it’s still going to be rare and hard to get item. Just like Paladins getting BoJ buffed by 80%. Hardly noticeable due to the low base damage.
You have done no such thing lol. AS isn’t picked because it went from 6-7% overall damage contribution to 8-10% overall damage contribution. Again, it’s due to how much more focused on bleeds the game play is.
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Yes it is you’re an idiot
Different uptimes different kill times different everything
Yes it i do think that because its true, a talent getting a buff so it makes us do 2.5% more damage is massive the fact you don’t think that is extremely stupid
2.5% damage from a single talent being buffed vs 2.6% from an aura buff. which one do you think has more impact on a certain talent being picked more? I wonder???
This is wrong again and I’ve proven this, the direct damage from swarm is not low, how many times do i have to repeat that. Swarm does 40% of its damage as direct damage now (repeating this because you haven’t understood it the other 2 times I said it) No comments on it beating MoC in terms of direct damage now. No wonder you have no argument here it’s pathetic. try making a single point that’s correct next time
You’re narrative has went from swarm is not strong, to direct damage of swarm is not strong, to swarm wasn’t buffed, talk about a scitzo narrative, especially when i have disproved every single one of your points.
Lol talk about grasping for straws.
Omg youre so right. The direct damage from adaptive swarm is the only reason the talent is chosen. It does soooo much damage. Its the entire identity of Feral Druids. Catsavage for Nobel Prize nominee!!
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Misquoting again absolute classic grizzle, Once again putting words in peoples mouth that they didn’t say. Maybe i have to repeat it for you again maybe get checked for Alzheimer, The direct damage buff to swarm is significant enough to make swarm do more damage than most of our other talents. Its that simple i hope you understand it this time. 
Go on say more misinformation so I can disprove you even more.
You are a joke.
You say this, and then repeat exactly what i said.
Your claim is AS is a “need” talent based off its direct damage lol
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Okay bro has lost all sense and is just rage baiting at this point.
How many more quotes do i need man
You are a moron that is the only point that you have made so far.
The only one raging here is you lol
As many as you’d like. You can keep quoting the “overall” and I can quote you saying its not the dot amp and admitting its the direct damage.
That still doesnt it make it the reason its “need” talent. Even if we took away the Mastery applying to Adaptive Swarm reverting the direct damage to a 1.5-2% contribution, it would still be a required talent due to the changes to Feral from DF → TWW.
AS was ran for 90% of DF in a Bite spam expansion. With the focus back to bleeds, even with lower direct damage, it would still be a “required” talent
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Dumb point yet again, you are just completely ignoring what i say write your own bull that’s wrong and think thats why. Grow a brain, Swarm was always picked in pure single target but again it was close enough where you could swap it out for a single point in Ci or AG for example on a boss like Tindral and smolderon most ferals swapped it out because it wasn’t much of a loss on single target being only around 1-2% loss if you do that now you are losing upwards of 5% single target damage, With the dot amping dps part staying very similar in terms of percentage overall dps which i have already proved, please tell me why it is doing so much more damage now to the point where you can’t drop it for other talents? Oh wait its because they massively buffed the direct damage part by 80%
You and i both know this isnt going to happen. We just got new skins from dragonflight.
We MIGHT big emphasis on might get ghost of the pridemother skin back from legion remix.
The dude is Archtroll Grizzle. I’ve blocked him so I just see all your posts replying to the games he plays. He literally has nothing better to do besides make things up and reply to every post.
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Its not for the reasons you think lol. You’re referring to S3 where FF was tied into the tier set.
FF was reduced to 30 seconds with the tier set. That lined up with Tigers Fury. FF also gave a 20% damage bonus window for 8 seconds.
So the play was to boost your damage as much as possible for those windows. Which is also why Saber Jaws got play over Circle.
Ive already brought this up.
Because snapshotting became a lot more prevalent. We’re no longer having insane uptime on TF buffs (literally 90%) and we dont have the burst windows every 30 seconds like we did in DF S3.
Even with those burst windows, AS was still chosen 90% of the time (for the dot bonus). With the changes (no more burst windows, TF losing 50% anf more of its uptime), snapshotting (and by extension AS) became a bigger focus.
Again, its not the increased direct damage of AS that its chosen, its due to the changes from DF → TWW
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You are constantly snapshotting in dragonflight with tigers fury at 100% uptime your dots are on average are doing more damage since they always had the tigers fury snapshot. The priority of using sudden ambush procs or bloodtalons has not changed from dragonflight to TWW. Moron
Just because you care more about snapshotting now doesn’t mean that you are snapshotting your bleeds more than dragonflight. Moron
Yes it was only chosen for the dot amp part because the direct damage was very underwhelming, they buffed the direct damage. Oh wow its suddenly a lot better talent that does more damage now who knew.
Druid of the claw single target builds still plays double saberjaws no circle and guess what swarm is a 100% pick in that build aswell when 50% of your damage comes from Bite/ravage, Druid of the claw doesn’t even care about snapshotting but swarm is still picked 100% of the time. If the direct damage of swarm was not buffed massively swarm could have easily be replaced by a point in CI
Hey put some respek on the Grizzlers name that man is proudly 8/8N and 1/8H! He’s what you’d call a pro-gamer
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Which means you werent snapshotting at all. It was just passive.
Thats not the case any more.
Lol talk about being a moron. Making up strawman arguments for what? No one said anything about Sudden Ambush or BT.
The discussion is based on AS application to needing to snapshot properly.
You absolutely are lol
Another strawman that has nothing to do with what was said.
Wrong again. There isnt enough uptime on TF nor any burst windows lined up with TF to make a point of CI greater than a weakened version of AS. Which again is a direct result of the changes made to Feral from DF to TWW.
Wondering where youre getting this info from?
S1 was, again, due to tier set focusing on TF inside a window and direct damage of Bite (much like DF S3)
And in S2, Circle is getting 3x the play than Saber Jaws.
This just goes to show, outside of burst windows, you focus on AS for the bleeds (which has been prominent with the changes to Predator/TF uptime and no longer being GCD locked and going back to pooling energy). Even with DoTC, youre taking AS and focusing on proper snapshotting because even with your main focus being Ravage, Bleeds are still 50% of your damage. Heck we can see DoTC logs with 11-12% overall contribution and getting more out of it than most Wildstalker ST builds
No one is arguing that AS is doing more than it was in the past. But the bump to its direct damage isnt why its a 100% pick now lol
Hey guys do I win arguments by just saying strawman a lot asking for a friend
Nice ideas, but blizzard doesn’t read class forums. :\
I had an administrator respond to my thread on feral class tuning and missing 3%, they do!
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