Face it your existence now is to provide 3% crit and windfurry to a melee group. You can just go afk with one of them on follow and they’ll be fine with it.
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No, feral cat is in a bad spot too. It does one of the worst DPS right now, has nothing but single target, and our combo spenders do less damage than our combo generators.
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It’s worse relative to the other classes. Feral tank is legitimately just worse though because of MCP disappearing. It lost the only stat it used to be able to scale around, the equivalent of 800 feral attack power roughly. No chance we get that back without sweeping changes to bear.
New MCP we’re talking about 50% reduced attack speed for 84% of fights. In a 3 minute fight that’s nearly 30 fewer attacks with the new “automated crowd pummeler”. Adding Wild Strikes attacks in, it’s still ~10 less attacks than the old MCP even. If you add Lacerate too it will get you back to about the same DPS overall, but with a massive reduction in snap threat compared to pre-SoD and a huge difference in rage. This math is for level 60 assuming everything except Battle Squak (so finnicky) is stacked for attack speed Manual Crowd Pummeler + Iron Counterweight + Librams + Glove Enchant + Kiss of the Spider + Warchief’s Blessing.
Feral druids were one of the worst specs in vanilla, and needed massive baseline buffs just to bring them up to okay in TBC then pretty good in Wrath.
The runes feral has gotten so far don’t even really bring them up to TBC levels. Part of this is because there was just virtually no good feral itemization in vanilla.
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I’m really confused about the mangle nerf. It’s the only attack we have and nerfd cuz it was doing damage.
Saber slash for rogues dominated P1, did they nerf it? Nope just made mutilate absurd so it could compete.
Wth.
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Mangle was nerfed?
He probably means in comparison to other classes.
Right now all Feral does is Mangle spam and keep savage roar up. They do not have any AOE. They are basically melee supports with medicore single target damage.
The items do not help. What they need are better combo point spenders. Every single one of their spenders feel bad. Just bad design when your filler ability is your best ability at almost all times.
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Yeah, I was kind of taken aback by this.
How much was it nerfed?
It was 300% damage changed to 270 at the start of phase 2. Then last night it went to 160.
Deadass?
Damn…
Looks like the SoD staff was fired and now the janitorial crew is handling things.
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160% is bear form…
Youre right, my bad. I swear it said 160 for cat mangle (Im almost never in bear). My action bars are constantly bugging out with these rune abilities though.
Just for clarity, that part of the conversation was about Feral dps not Feral tank.
In no way do I think Feral tank is any real decent state, but I appreciate the information you have bestowed upon me 
If all I’m needed for as a feral is to help other melee “pump” im done playing man
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Season of discovering feral sucks
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I feel bad for all the people who went feral thinking SoD would fix the feral problems in vanilla but realized there’s an existing amputated limb there.
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They’re still better than vanilla Feral. The problem is everyone else just got SO MUCH BETTER. Feral is just a melee support class it’s unfortunate.
I haven’t tried PvP yet, but I feel like they’re still really strong for 1v1s against most classes. Group wise they might be one of the worst PvP classes.
Sadly, as someone who has always mained a feral, not a discovery for me. For most of WoW’s history, we have been badly handled. How well feral scales in WotLK was actually accidental. The difficulty of it, when WotLK first came out, was also an accident. Blizz does not always understand how specs work and ferals have always been the poster boy for that. Their fixes in MoP show that best by making it incredibly easy and broken.
What is pretty much needed is something that lets swipe hit all enemies and scales with stats. Making it also usable by cats would also be a pretty big bonus. I was so happy in the WotLK beta when I first tried it, it cannot be matched at all basically.
The other item in Wrath that was extremely nice was all items giving FAP based on dps. It opened a lot of options. Since you could also use polearms, you suddenly had a lot more gearing options.
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Shaman has been trash for over a decade I’d fotm reroll to something else lmao