the large number of bugs are pretty annoying but understandable since it’s a small indie company. sub is pretty fun to play in random BGs right now though.
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I login and think ‘hmmm, but couldn’t I grind my 2nd job on a real class?’ then log out shortly after. I see all these copers trying to run sin, but this isn’t my first expac seeing microsoft nerf everything then say they’ll let us play sin, then nerf that too anyway. melee warlock is no fun regardless, but maybe we at 3.8% right now because its only sin players left
i remember one patch there was 3 rogue ‘hotfixes’ and then next patch changed it up again. way too much market volatility
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What am I doing wrong? Im playing sub and think its terrible in PVP.
Do you rely on Shadow Dance? Its the one thing Im not using.
And no matter what spec you use youre still going to get randomly knocked out of stealth for no reason.
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sub needs shadow dance for damage. you also need to be mindful of the buffs you can stack to maximize damage while dancing. I also like flag and sepsis right now to add damage and increase danse stacks. sometimes i will add goremaw’s bite with dark brew for more burst but then you lose vanish cd reduction.
i doubt it will play well in ss or arena but it’s been fun hitting flag carriers in BGs for the time being.
the random de-stealths are super frustrating for sure.
Could you link the build you’re talking about that resembles old combat?
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My current build.
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Came for the class fantasy and am still here for the class fantasy. I really suck at the actual mechanics of it…just way too complicated to keep up with and do boss mechanics, but I just can’t get into anything else. If I just ignore everything I can kind of do ok.
I would never recommend rogue to anyone wanting to have gameplay fun though.
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Im sure all classes are fine if youre playing “casual”.
If you want to be competitive though, seems like rogue sucks now.
Its still early for me to pass judgement but it sure doesnt play like it used to.
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Ill give Shadow Dance a try at some point. I never liked it.
In Van and BC I always went back to assassination, with points in sub for strengthening performance while stealthed. And maybe a couple in combat for who knows what.
You could kill clothies in a few seconds, which they probably nerfed rogues for that reason, but now I feel useless. Over nerfed.
I dont feel like I hit hard and you cant stun lock anymore so what exactly is a rogue supposed to do? Not to mention getting knocked out of stealth standing 100 yards away from fights.
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Its awful because it seems that we have had 0 fixes and 0 communication. Its like rubbing salt on the wound.
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just saw darkest night is nerfed to 19% instead of 60% in PvP
what a joke
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Theyll let anyone hit another player for half their HP except rogue.
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I just started one because I was bored to tears … lvls 10 to 16 (Void elf) were painful…
the healing in the class IS NOT enough and completely messes up rotations as you are using enrgy taking a potion…
Rupture when I got it I used 5 stacks of combo points and it didn’t seem to do ANY real damage …
Poison is about the only damage that seems to work BUT i think it is over powered to compensate for the under powered EVERYTHING else…
the class needs survivability AND damage and neither of these exist in outlaw or assassin builds at the lower levels…
In fact the class feels like a warrior in vanillia with less armor mitigation and NO self healing at all …
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What part of rogue class fatasy involves self healing??? This is like saying you don’t like Warriors because they can’t fly.
Rogues never had healing. BUT… kidney shot and gouge also didnt have a 5 year cool down back in the day.
You killed mobs by stun locking them. But Blizz fixed that. lol
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Assass is overtuned, and sub is AssAss
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i despise Outlaw for replacing Combat, i never liked the forced Pirate theme it has, and like many would agree with, RTB can BURN in hell.
I feel this, despite still playing outlaw I absolutely feel this is very fiber of my being.
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FYI for a long time THERE was NO warrior healing in the build … they had to bandage and eat constantly …
The heal ability they put in now the “crimson vial” replaced another heal option like it BUT this one has a long CD and poor heal over time effect …
You also used to get an ability to get energy back also a recipe either in alchemy or food that helped get energy back duriing a fight …
I know SO many of you think the last 3 expansions are all this game was and is BUT guess what those of us who have been playing since end of vanillia have seen A LOT and NOT need to try to talk like you a guru
Try NOT being toxic to others and learn something
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Im doing well when i do play on my rogue. I honestly think some of yall just want a stealth warrior tbh. I love fatebound and crackshot. i love vanish and a dps cd. Nothing worse than holding cd for an “emergency.” that was always the worst feeling in WoW/gaming in general. I hate feeling like i should hold a CD on a class that rotates cds faster than any other spec could dream of.
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The CD used to be Shadowdance. Thats why im upset.
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