Feedback - The foundation is the issue

The difference is, those spells did real damage in Wotlk. We didn’t really have a burst CD either. That was simple and fine at that time but we have progressed a lot in class depth since then.

Their goal is theoretically to make it easy to pick up a class but tough to get really good at it. I’m all for that but shadow seems to be boring and without any meaningful CDs. They seriously missed the mark here.

I hate that we are forced to spam Tentacle Slam because of our Apex Talents and I also hate our mastery as it is.

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Yes, that’s the rotation we’re currently playing with, but to me it feels like the spec isn’t really built around that anymore.
It’s built more around Voidform and how it currently functions.

In Alpha they tied Halo to Archon and Void Torrent to Voidweaver.
They then changed Voidform to unlock Void Volley instead of Void Bolt, and the entire spec just broke.
The flow is gone after the removal of a single ability, and that shouldn’t be possible.

That kind of thing wouldn’t happen if the core foundation actually worked on its own.

I agree, it feels like Voidform no longer fits in the game. The spell itself is almost ten years old and has been changed so many times that it barely resembles the Legion version anymore.

I think Archon got the negative feedback it did because it’s basically just Shadow’s base foundation again, only with Halo added on top.

And yeah, it really feels like they pruned the wrong abilities.
I don’t understand why we still have an unhealthy spell like Power Infusion in the game.
Shadowfiend/Bender doesn’t add anything special either, at least not as an actual cooldown.

At this point it feels like Blizzard keeps patching systems instead of addressing the real issue the foundation.

I keep coming back to these threads because it’s good to know other Shadow Spec players feel the same as I do. These threads have productive discussion and ideas. Now if we could only draw in developers who can actually do something about it.

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I really appreciate that!
I made the thread because I wanted people to have an active discussion about the spec. Not just say remove and/or change stuff.

Hopefully the thread adds something to the final pot of the Midnight changes.
Untill then we just need to keep discussing and adding ideas :slight_smile:

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I think if that’s all shadow was it would be extremely boring.

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Dare I say we yank the MoP/WoD Demonology style?
That is building Demonic Fury to maintain Metamorphosis.
Except it’s Insanity for Voidform.
Could even make it so you regularly cycle between shadow and void by maxing insanity, enter voidform, abilities upgrade into new insanity spending versions, spend insanity, leave voidform, build insanity again. rinse repeat. it’d have a nice flow.

I’ve always really liked the “Transformative” effect meta had on your spells in MoP and WoD.

Really like this one

So hopefully we something tonight.
There is no way (I hope) we get nothing, atleast a Dev comment.

i hope you didn’t hold your breath my friend.

I mean the notes are not out yet?

And yes I hold my breath xd

I’ll be taking part in the Beta, will naturally be Shadow Priest main. Although I am not a player that chases raids and Mythic + my feedback will not cover some things people want to know.

I highly doubt anything big will come out of beta for sp.

Beta don’t usually get reworks unless it was already ongoing

It’s done.

Considering the Datamining it seems that our old Apex talents have been moved up.

Which means we should get new ones. So atleast something seems to be in the works

Notes are up,

No changes.

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Datamine *

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Oh? I read that as just like the first point is now like the second point, not that have been actually moved into the tree or something

It says that they have been moved, so I would think so atleast?

Nothing is confirmed untill the official Notes are out tho.

Notes are up lolololol

Yea so there is nothing.
No comment.
Not a single change to Shadow in the Beta Notes.

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On god, screw the devs

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