There’s no reason blizzard shouldn’t split out premades vs premades. Virtually every match system either has a hard break in premades vs pugs or matches premade groups up first then uses pugs to fill in the gaps.
Premades vs full groups is just stupid.
And there really is no good argument against it. Arguing that people should just join premades themselves is not argument against the match making system doing a better job up front.
If you are asking for Pug v Pug and Premade v Premade, this is not the game for you. Please go back to retail.
You think you do, but you don’t. Some of us knew what to expect with a 15 year old game and are loving it.
This attitude is what gave us welfare epics and the streamlined piece of crap retail became. Entitled crybabies who are most likely keyboard turning and want to play against other keyboard turners.
Git gud and get a group or gtfo
It has been 15 years and this argument is still raging.
So did I. Once again. The problem with that is player participation, engagement, and teamwork. Willingness being the key to it all.
That’s not why they broke it and you guys know it. Had nothing to do with one side being able to do it and not the other.
They broke it because of the extra games those ally premades were making and leaving them to be handicapped auto losses.
No. Just waiting until the game filled would not have fixed it because those premades would have just continued opening up more and more games. Games that would have sat waiting to be filled.
Which in my mind would have led to even more games being opened. While other games sat waiting to be filled.
That premade system was bucking the whole queue system. That had absolutely nothing to do with Horde but more to do with those premades actions.
Anyone that can’t see that is willfully ignorant, can’t grasp the concept, or are simply biased.
You should never have incentive to solo queue.
I guarantee if this was in affect, we’d break down our teams into 3 player groups if we were constantly facing the best premades.
You’d still lose.
Ensuring that premades vs premades isn’t fair matchmaking either. There is a huge difference in skill between a group of casual players and a team with hundreds of hours of experience.
You’re losing against the most basic of groups because your team has no coordination at all. It’s a team game.
It’s still better than our base, how it’s simply an open door. Sad that you needed a massive premade to win and when it was just even slightly prevented you all went to garbage against a few people that are 5 grouped, and I’ll tell you, it’s rare that there are more than 2 5man premades anymore.
Learn how to communicate and listen to the calls in game, and learn how to fight back as one as opposed to small groups running blindly into the pack of death.
Retail PvP is garbage because they catered to the tiny fraction of players like you and took out all the PvP rewards for solo queue pugs. It’s one of the reasons less and less people play retail every year. There’s no “go back to retail” for people that came back to Classic hoping for the vanilla PvP experience.
Would trade map positions in a heartbeat and never look back lol
And if 3 player teams continued to give an unfair advantage then they should make it so any grouped players only get matched against other grouped players. Saying it’s a team game assumes that both sides have a team. Team vs pug isn’t a team game. It’s a slaughter. If it’s a team game like you’re saying then you should be matched against other teams.
And you’d still lose.
Every now and then sure…