100%.
The Shadowlands expac does not provide much hope either.
Where Mythic + misses the mark for me is the timer.
I love the concept of ever escalating difficulty but the “go go go” mindset is just not something I am interested in.
The counter to this is well if one spent enough time they would eventually clear it. Well yes, but if someone wants to spend 6 hours in a Mythic 10 then that time spent is the penalty for being so slow on that content.
To me what retail evolved into had some good concepts, but the execution is horrific to me at least.
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I have told him multiple times that he can play any version he wants. I am just tired of negative people who hate things just to hate things.
I’m not the one here who hates things just to hate things so whatever dude. I am merely making fun of you I don’t give a crap if you play any wow.
It’s good to see that you’re on here, arguing with get another person. I bet that you are also giving zero constructive criticism how to make the game better you just hashtag hate the game.
You’re one of those people who are like remove looking for raid and looking for group and titanforging and rng and bring back attunments and make all raid tiers viable and and and excetera excetera.
without realizing that they have to take these things one step at a time and it doesn’t matter to you if they’re going in the right direction or some things look cool retail is garbage it is trash. How dare those game developers, how dare they breathe the same air that the wow vanilla team did.
Let’s boycott them and never give them any money and slowly watch while it dies off forever. Let’s all just watch blizzard sweep this under the rug and move on to a different IP.
this will be the last time I’m on here I’m really not interested in talking to you anymore. nothing anybody will ever say will convince you to at least give the game ago. You’re just going to continue to be an outrage artist and hate everything and I just don’t care.
Continue to play classic, private servers, retail, EverQuest, Diablo immortal, magical pony island or whatever floats your boat I don’t care. Just please go find a semblance of happiness in your life.
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Retail has kind of sucked since Cata IMO
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I didnt faceroll my way to endgame. BFA’s endgame is freaking difficult… way harder than legion… WAY WAAAAAAYYYYY HARDER than Vanilla/Classic. Getting welfare epics to catchup when a new content is release is not the main game. The progression starts from after getting the welfare epics. That progression is really hard in Retail. Becoz you got your welfare epics, you concluded that youre done triumphant in BFA? What a Noob.
BFA is different on how they show the content.
They opened up like this:
Uldir - LFR
Uldir - Normal
Uldir - Heroic
Uldir - Mythic
After some weeks, they release the next… Those who didnt finish Heroic/Mythic, they provided catch up welfare epics to beat the new content. Then they released:
Battle of Dazar Alor - LFR
Battle of Dazar Alor - Normal
Battle of Dazar Alor - Heroic
Battle of Dazar Alor - Mythic
After some weeks, they release the next… Those who didnt finish Heroic/Mythic, they provided catch up welfare epics to beat the new content. Then they released:
Eternal Palace - LFR
Eternal Palace - Normal
Eternal Palace - Heroic
Eternal Palace - Mythic
You see everyone gets to play all content from Uldir to present.
Look at Classic. They open raids like this:
Molten Core/Onyxia - LFR
BWL - Normal
AQ - Heroic
Naxx - Mythic
Those LFR people would be stucked in MC. They might see some BWL. They will never ever gonna see AQ and Naxx.
In Vanilla, less that 5% saw Naxx40 in its glory. Naxxramas is arguably one of the best raid dungeon that Blizz has made and only 5% saw it? That’s why they re-released Naxx in WoTLK (but in LFR difficulty). Blizz adjusted. They want all players to see their content regardless if they are noob, casual or elite hardcores. That’s why it is how it is in Retail.
Fulgrim, you are just a noob. You dont know how the game evolved. Blizz didnt make new expansions to kill WoW. They are trying to satisfy all kinds of group. They could satisfy one group but offend another group. Like Blizz satisfied casual hardcore players becoz of its awesome challenges of M+ and Heroic/Mythic Raid… but offended the newcomers/returning players in leveling. Me who played the game from Vanilla up to now in BFA/Classic, I just hope Blizz would come up with something that could satisfy everyone. WoW is still the best MMO from 2004 up to now.
There’s no improving on Wooderson, man.
I think there’s some kind of fundamental difference in what’s viewed as fun here. Vanilla through WotLK I enjoyed leveling alts. It was a bit rough in cataclysm. Post cataclysm leveling alts has been super boring. I’ve tried leveling characters in BFA and my highest right now is 113 because the leveling process isn’t engaging at all. Everyone is arguing about high-end raiding as endgame but that’s irrelevant to a lot of us, I super don’t care about raids, alts are my endgame. For a lot of us if the leveling process isn’t fun then the game isn’t fun.
That looks to be a thing they’re looking to fix so I reserve judgement for now. There’s other things that I don’t find fun (and while I’m sure that there’s others that agree with me I’m not going to make the presumption of being the majority) such as the gutting of community aspects and lack of real RPG aspects, things that got me hooked to begin with, but regardless for me and probably a lot of others raiding is meaningless.
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From my experience most players didnt play for most of vanilla. Most are retail players. And by retail i mean wrath players and beyond.
And its because of these players is why classic the way it is.
Anything you do in BFA just doesn’t feel good, farming blues in a 15 year old game gave me more excitement than any gear i have gotten from BFA,
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Yeah, there’s abundance of trash epics in BFA. You dont feel excited. But getting upgrades like the ones I got from M+9 … getting some upgrades from a pile of garbage epics that propelled me to M+10 is as exciting as getting 3pc of my Gianstalkers in Classic. Gearing in BFA is a bit complicated. Maybe Bliz has to tone it a bit.
I would not be playing BfA since I haven’t purchased an expac since the ability to fly at max level was removed from the game.
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If you make a game for everyone you’re making a game for no one.
I am here for classic and yes bfa kinda sucks and it looks like the shadowlands which is a cool theme is going to suck do to class design still being the same as it was from mop era mop-bfa or maybe all the things that have happened in recent are probably going to be some sort of problem making it less fun.
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Not only am I doing that, I’m only talking on the forum for that version.
What’s your excuse?
As I’ve told many other people, if it bothers you that people have a strong opinion contrary to yours, perhaps a public forum isn’t the best place for you.
So much this. Even when it dropped I was like, “Hay these classes are built on a foundation of sand.”
They’re just the worst in retail. So, so bad.
…and here I thought I wouldn’t find someone that shared my opinions.
I also love that you forgot Hearthstone - the biggest pay to win game that Blizzard has ever introduced
Make a good game - I’ll praise you endlessly for it.
Make a rng lootpinata mtx fest - and I will mock you and never play it.
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It seems the entire rationale for making retail into … er… what it is today, is that players “no longer had time to play WoW.”
I always thought if players don’t have time to play a certain game, they should go play something else.
WoW was so much better before. Yay Classic
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I get excited when I get a green! Good gear is so rare that it is a real treat!
Got Feet of the Lynx on my rogue in Hillsbrad at level. Can’t ask for a better drop. I danced and jumped up and down for joy!