hmm i see i see, so what you are saying is that they should get a tank spec so long as its not completely overpowered compared to other tanks, IE they just shouldnt be a meta tank. Im i getting that right?
Sure, but i dont see a way possilbe to bring an Evoker tank down to the level of othrr tanks without heavy nerfs to racials. Nerfing racials is a direct nerf to healrr amd dps versions aswell so going heavy would hurt the spec even more
Sorry will go into more detial later. At work and pushing to grt stuff done asap
Sure now worries, i will hear you out.
but i will say this, a knock up and a knock back do not directly affect throughput as either a healer or a dps nor does it make a tank over powered, it also does not affect bosses. A simple solution though would be having a talent in the tank tree that changes one or the other into an altered version of the spell that helps with threat/survivability similar to the cd reduction talent (which is rarely taken) on the evoker class tree.
Sorry for the wait, waiting on a driver to back jnto the bay now
I would be willing to compramize for altered abilites, but none of those are evoker abilites. They are all Drac racails. Im afraid of what will happen if blizz adds other classes to Drac withoit nerfing these.
Its not throughput, its utility.
For M+ as an example.
Say Evoker tank pulls multiple groups. When other tanks would be relaint on dps and healer to help stun or interupt casters in the cluster, Evoker tank would be able to solo stop tank busters and other abilites from going off solo. Multiple aoe stuns, knock ups and backs would mean no coordination needed and allow dps to focus on throughput instead of kicks.
More interupts in aoe pulls than Pally shields =P
Say Sanguine drops in a cluster. Right now only monks can knock out via ring of peace. Evoker with knock back would be the only other tank that can move mobs like that and thier knock back is a mich shorter CD.
If Peot warrios could cast “shockwave” on every mob they heroic leapt over. That would be far to strong for mass aoe pulls. That is what Evokers have with talented deep breath.
Again this is just Drac Racials. Evoker stuff is more broken =P
Fair points, but here:
Stops arent interrupts and each evoker stop comes with a much longer cd than shield, which resets its cd. Pallys also have HoJ base line and can chose to talent into blinding light an AoE incap.
Guardian druids (typhoon), DKs (grip and grasp) and DHs (chain sigil) also have a way to displace on a much shorter cd than evokers
Evokers have utility just like practically every other class, I fail to see how their utility is OP compared to other classes. Pally can bubble taunt and completely ignore mechanics. Blood Dks are completely self reliant with higher HPS than some healers while also pumping big dps. Evokers can deep breath immune a tank buster once every two minutes…cool that is a part of planning your spells in an encounter and also sacrificing aoe dmg for survivability. Their stun is only 3 seconds long and is not base line, you must chose to spend a talent point into the stun and another talent point for the roar that increases cc duration. You would be doing so at the expense of something else in your tree be it utility, dps, hps, or survivability. That is all a part of making choices in how you spend talent points for every encounter.
Not interested in changing your mind on this or any other topic.
I would love to see how a ranged class could be a tank with the way this game is designed.
just talking to talk with no opinion of your own then?
First of all its not really a “ranged class” its a hybrid caster class with mid range spells. Buttttt to answer your question, easy, caster doesn’t necessarily mean being out in ranged. you can be in mele have some instant casts and the base class tool kit with talent enhancements that generate active mitigation and pushback reduction. For example channeling disintegrate generates a frontal barrier, or Fire Breath has a wider but shorter cone and reduces damage taken based on enemies hit/damage done. You would also get about 3 new spells from a tank tree along with various passives that make it possible. There are fan made trees on reddit which you can look over for more details…very plausible and doable without reworking the class
Evokers are too wimpy and weird looking to be tanks.
i beg to differ wittle vulpewa furry
https://imgur.com/a/VSwXQ1a
First of all, I look cooler than that.
Second: That’s decent, but still wimpy looking for a dragon, and it’s the only look you’ll ever rock in your life.
Show me your tank face!
The Dracthyr run animation is goofy as hell.
wRATHION WITH HE HAD THAT SWAG.
hmmm maybe I could sell it to him.
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Worse than worgen? They even “fixed” it with our updated and it’s still derpy j ust in a different way no.w
I wouldn’t know, I rarely ever see a Worgen.
Listen, you get 20% commission and he can only rent it day by day. Must also pay tribute to Queen Alexsexystraza for the red flare
They also said no flying in WoD and community outrage changed that real quick.
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Old or new? Old worgen was pretty bad.
But Zandi is pretty bad and I’d put Evoker as even worse than that.
get a thread u furries, this is a scalies discussion
You’ll never catch me those degen sites, you glorified pokemon trainer.