Multilanguage Realms announcement in Europe:
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So you think LA, Brazil, NA and OC will be combined aswell?
That is exactly the kind of thing we have to look forward to. I love to meet people form different countries online, but language needs to be established. They need to want to be in an international setting. Forcing together people who canât or donât want to communicate outside of their language is not going to turn out well for anyone.
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I combined a series of reddit posts about why people might be worried about international realms.
What some people here do not seem to understand is that being able to speak english isnât the same as english being your main language. You cannot spot irony, subtlety, or simply small talk when youâre not that great in english.
I am a swiss-french player, and I work in a international company so I mainly speak english, french and italian all day long. Yet I do not consider myself good enough to enjoy the game the way I enjoy it in french, simply because I cannot RP in english - I can tell you that you need to review that powerpoint or that the printer isnât working, but certainly not write an epic storyline, even if I read most of my american favorite authors like Lois McMaster Bujold in their native language. Language really is a barrier that will prevent me from enjoying the game 100% and Iâm not even the worst english speakers, so I canât imagine my guild mates who actually spoke english only a little at school having fun being only able to say âHIâ âBye !â âQuest ?â when they meet someone. Thatâs not what youâre looking for when you go to a game where community matters.
However I also played Classic WoW on a server which was an unofficial spanish server (Agamaggan)
Many (not all) of the Spanish players I encountered on there had no desire to communicate with non-spanish speakers. They played the game to themselves and consequently English, Swedish, Hungarians and other nationals did the same. Guilds were very nationalistic with <The British Brotherhood> <Hungarian Honoured> <Swedish Valhalla Elite> and others popping up.
This fractured the communities that could speak English and caused a population problem for several Guilds.
Eventually Blizzard opened dedicated Spanish realms and offered free character migrations. The server went from Medium pop to Low pop and never recovered, with most Guilds having migrated by the end of TBC.
You just gave me a flashback. I was one of those, who migrated to Korâgall from Agamaggan.
I remember getting grouped with some from Hakkar in WotLK LFG, and always having to hope they brought along a translator, as the Hakkarians only would speak Italian, making planning way harder.
Crushridge-EU was also notorious for being full of Italians. Also for being piss poor at the game. Used to hate getting grouped up with them in wrath.
I also happened to unintentionally settle on a polish realm. They were decent at the game, but downright assumed 100% of the population was also polish. Getting whispers constantly to join their âgildiaâ got on my nerves.
Started playing on Warsong EU, afterwards that turned into the de facto Russian server, that wasnât fun.
That turned into a free transfer to Emeriss, which turned into a Bulgarian server. Again, not much fun. Pugging just wasnât an option, we got a tight group of Scandinavian/Benelux/British players who were refugees.
Iâve already experienced wow as a melting pot on private servers. If I was a european, I wouldnât want that. You donât end up with one big community, you end up with english lingua franca and a bunch of fragments defined by a given language with almost no overlap between them. It basically becomes retail, except you donât talk because most of the group wonât be able to understand.
Bruh. I played on a server that was full of Russians. If my memory serves me right we were eventually offered free server transfers and the realm was made an official russian server. It sucked as$.
I got f*cked by this in vanilla⊠my alliance realm was Hakkar which slowly turned into Italian only and I couldnât afford a transfer.
Broke my little heart having to leave my main there until wotlk while I rerolled elsewhere.
I also got f*cked by this playing on Hakkar, but from the other side. Meaning Iâm Italian and playing in a server like this was a terrible experience, made me feel ashamed of being Italian. Most Italians Iâve come across on wow, before they added localized realms, had a good enough understanding of English to communicate if they wanted to. The problem is they didnât want to. Because they were toxic people who thought they were entitled to a localized realm and were actively trying to push out foreigners by speaking Italian only as a way to stick it to Blizzard.
I recall playing on Drakâthul EU in Vanilla and TBC. We nicknamed it Czechâthul because most (and I mean ~95%) LFGs and LFMs in chat were followed by â⊠cz onlyâ. On a few occasions I would just /w inv and proceed to not talk/repeat basic czech words if confronted.
In the end I did get into an english speaking guild and eventually migrated realms. But the point is, thereâs going to be small to medium communities that donât speak english regardless if they did make servers for different languages.
I remember back in WOTLK there was a Swedish guild on my realm that wouldnât play with anyone else but Swedish people, they also made PUGs for Ulduar when they couldnât get the numbers and if an item dropped they would just straight ninja it, if a guildie got outrolled the item would still go to the guild player and if you tried to argue the case you would get kicked from the raid.
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This was a thing in Vanilla though, with the Brazilians.
Thatâs fine with me⊠I like both.
Not all of Australia was a penal colony.
1 state (South Australia) was a free state. No prize for you.
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Backwards European? You need some perspective.
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Almost 7k replies in the german forums. In the englisch forums everybody is posting in a different language, a german/french invasion I would say. Well, that escalated quickly ![:smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/smile.png?v=6" ":smile:")
Do you guys not have google translate?
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I vote for support of our EU brothers and sisters. Given them the servers. Make it known from the outset which are the unofficial language on each. Right now the EU players are pretty much being told their identity doesnât matter. Isnât good communication and a sense of belonging what a MMORPG is built on? This is is not blizzards first rodeo, they should of known better.
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It totally is you just donât want to recognize it. Like I said I wasnât going to discuss it.
Blizzard be like:
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This is entirely true.
For some populations though like us Finns it comes down to numbers.
Ainât enough of us to form a full server so the lesser capable English speakers just have to manage somehow.
But it would be completely insane to force major European populations like Germans and the French to communicate in English.
For the large part they simply wonât comply, most of them will keep using their own language no matter what the circumstances and this is not something we English speaking EU players want to be exposed to.
So they absolutely need to have their own localized servers so that they and us can play the game with the community we want to play the game with.
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Exactly. Weâve already learned English, why do we have to break out the dictionaries again? The other big languages have no reason to speak in English because they have a large enough demographic to support their own communities. All this does it make is more difficult for everyone to find the place they want to be.
And I have no issue with playing with people from other countries, for the record of anyone who calls us xenophobic. A mix of nationalities is completely different from a mix of languages. This is entirely about ease of communication.
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Exactly.
I personally prefer to play in an international guild as I prefer English in games over my native Finnish.
But an international guild only works if the players in it actually want to communicate in a common language which in this case is English.
Surely there are players in Germany and France that just like us prefer English as well and are going to roll on English speaking servers and that is great.
But I suspect that those people are easily a minority.
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Itâs the French and Germans who wonât play nicely with others? Thatâs not something history prepared us for at all cough.
I <3 Finns, we have a ton of them on a hockey board I participate in because both of our goalies in Nashville are from Finland.
WELL english is not their native tongue and since they arenât immigrating to england or any of its english speaking offshoots, it doesnt make sense to try to force them to speak it either.
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You mean like⊠any of the other 40+ European nations that arenât throwing tantrums?