I pretty much stopped trying too many groups inviting people who have no idea how to play the fight 
I only have a few hours a week to play and spending 2 or so of them grinding that boss just is not worth it so far.
It’s seriously an extremely easy fight tbh, people just don’t have attention spans longer than a squirrel anymore
Why on earth would you go through the effort of ‘earning’ something when in WoW that typically means waiting on that one guy in the raid who’s too dumb to push a button to finally figure out the mechanic?
Unless you’re insinuating that a team cheated their way through content, all clears are equal and if you’re talking about M+20 and Mythic raids, the ability to play at the level where you can carry people, in that content, when it is still new is itself impressive.
Which is actually why I’d say that any M+ run over ~15 should be group credited, not solo.
Before answering that question, let’s ask why players want to pay for AoTC or ksm.
Do they think that after buying the carry, the could go back to a high key or Heroic Raid to beat it on their own? What’s more dumber is if they thought that they could return by themselves and beat it.
And another question… why did you buy World of WarCraft? To pay good players to kill hard bosses for me. I pity players who has that answer. Have you had fun letting other players play for you?
On me, i play WoW to have fun on killing hardbosses on its dungeons and raids. It’s my favorite videogame. I love playing. GG.
OP’s question on this thread to me is like… how many dumb players play WoW? Fooling themselves that they are having fun letting other players play for them.
A userbase accustomed to paying other people to play their game for them is the best possible scenario for shareholders.
Get people to buy the game outright, then pay for subscription / battle pass regularly, then pay for extra armor/mount/pet skins on shop, then pay for boosting services (the more people pay for unofficial boosting, the more are comfortable paying for official boosting).
This behavior has been widely encouraged in League of Legends for many years, and now you can pay for Game Pass to skip grinding for characters!
Bethesda lets you buy horse armor, Capcom lets you buy weapon upgrades, Activision sells blacked out CoD skins over and over, and Blizzard let you buy items via RMAH in Diablo 3 first, then later let you buy Necro, by far the most dominant class in Greater Rifts for multiple seasons on release. Diablo Immortal was just a formality.
Get comfy. None of this is new and it’s never going away.
Capitalism is gonna capitalism. I thought about this post today while grinding for KSH. Got it, so yay me. I was targeting one dungeon in particular in the 18-19 range. I didn’t need a 20, and even an untimed 19 could put me over the top. Which it did, but barely.
I first was looking mostly at the 18 range. I felt it would be easier than the 19. Three keys bricked, so, not feeling positive. Tough enough being one of hundreds of dps out there. Getting declined more than accepted. It happens, kept at it. On one 18 I peeped the key holder. Their io struck me as low, but my addon wasn’t showing highest key done. I inspected them. I left the group.
Normally I wouldn’t care, I would just run the key. Because I was grinding, I wasn’t in the mood. It’s annoying that people do stuff like that. It’s not gonna be the end of the world that they do.
I might have my ksh tomorow , not sure if I’m gonna try for it on my healer yet or just try pushing this rating, had a really good 19 rlp run today but my teammates could not survive so we over timed it by like 17 seconds
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Its a complex issue because PUGS requires ATOC in order to even get in the pug and have an ilvl above what the raid s loot is dropping at.
Similarly with M+. Pugs requires a 2400 for anything above a 10 key.
People might buy ATOC or KSM because they feel forced into doing so. The reason why is that groups in group finder have absurd requirements.
Mark my words, when the next raid opens there’s going to be a flood of groups aotc only, so every person who paid for their aotc will instantly have a better chance of being in a group they shouldn’t be
You can pay for an AOTC? Why the heck am I still 9/10h on april 9th. (Gets out wallet)
Lots of guilds will do it for gold if you don’t want to worry about the ban hammer.
But after we killed it we had no reason to farm it because M+ was just better gear. We don’t even have a consistent hunter on our roster. lol
If you make a +20 SMBG, or +20 CoS key on Monday around 6pm EST with no sign up requirements… You’ll see a LOT of “I bought a +20” people.
395-405 Ret paladins with sub 1.5k M+ but have multiple +20 SMBG or CoS specific clears… Then they start sending you tells begging for invites. You look em up? Timed the key, grey parse, group was like 425+…
Just a really, really weird coincidence. Trust me.
I seen a 384 ilvl something forget the class with like a 2250 rating
Who cares, aotc has always been trivial and easy to get to anyone that isn’t bad.
i literally pug that crap halfway through the tier and 2shot it.
I have 4 CEs and achieved a rank 1 parse… guess how many people care? No one… not a single person. None of these achievements mean anything other than what they mean to yourself and how you attained them. Stop focussing on what others do with their time/gold.
Idk. Theres not much reason to keep killing raz.
The gear is trash
Who cares? This is a game of mindless grinding, not of skill.
Pretty much, there is a skill ceiling, but it isn’t nowhere near as high as people make up to be.
This is a game about cheesing stuff, about having optimized grinded gear and a proper group to run end game content.
Sadly there are still completely oblivious players out there that manage to be bad, which is sad.
Wrong. It’s nowhere as low as Andies make it out to be. You guys cannot fathom just how actually terrible some of you are because you can get omega hard carried by overgearing keys by 40 ilvls and other dps doing 50% more dps than you.