the only people mercing epics are those who are going to goof off and attack horde friends. nobody mercs epics thinking they are going to win.
blue is blue, and where do you have proof of Ion giving ruin the green light?
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No, all blue is not the same. Have you never worked in a corporate hierarchy? Do you not understand that the person at the call center about your cable or internet, has less authority than the person they transfer you to?
My âproofâ of Ion giving the âgreen lightâ, is the lack of 1) anything in ToS that forbids queueing 8 parties together (find something that says that. You canât), and 2) the years and years and years of simultaneous queueing, that has gone on(without using a 3rd party addon) and Blizzard has done nothing. Nor forbade it. Nor re-wrote ToS to include it.
Do you not understand, that Blizzard doing nothing, and saying nothing by a person of authority = it not violating ToS?
Ion didnât need to âgive the green lightâ.
He had opportunities, for years, to throw up a âred lightâ or even a âyellow lightâ â and that has never, not one time, ever happened.
so in other words you are just throwing Ionâs name around all willy nilly to sound like you have authority in your pocket.
griefing is against the TOS. queue syncing isnât, but using queue syncing to then GY farm for 2 hours while ignoring the bg objectives is griefing. its also distruptive to multiple other players becuase every time a full group doesnât take a pop, thats a bg that starts without a full ally team. RUIN for example causes more losses for alliance, and to get what? 2k honor and 400HKs? if they just queued normally in 2 hours they could have 3-4 games done and have more than 2k honor and 400hks without griefing anyone or disrupting any queues.
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I sometimes overhear Arch mentioning âweâve talked with the devsâ about this or that hot-topic issue on his stream, as if he has any authority over game design decisions 
He seems to have a delusional sense of grandiosity about him, he thinks heâs some sort of âbig shotâ - itâs amusing to watch as an outsider 
So far I havenât seen any actual evidence that Arch has âpersonallyâ talked to any devs, much less ion. To be honest, I have seen more changes and tweaks made to epic battlegrounds as a direct response to complaints from random forum posters/ânobodiesâ on this board 
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been doing a lot of epic BGs as mercenary lately.
in my experience alliance loses 8/10 of these.
Things I notice
- Nobody ever time warps or lusts. This is huge because if the enemy team does use lust⊠its a big buff for the entire team.
- Horrible DMG and Healing done. I know I know damage isnt the most important thing, ESPECIALLY in epic bgs⊠but damn⊠the amount of times im top 3 in total dmg done as a sub rogue is very alarming. Boomkins, spriests, mages, DKs etc should all be doing way way way more damage than they do.
- Horrible attitude
- Horrible strats
Yeah it sucks, but hey i guess its better than having 45 minute Qs as horde. i just wanna gank some geeks, i dont rly care about winning or losing
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Thatâs very clichĂ©, yet inaccurate.
Almost every single statement youâve made has been an attack of someone elseâs character, my character, my professors character or something completely irrelevant and purely subjective, not objective.
Yet you canât provide any statements made by developers that chastised him for making this specific statement. All you have is âNothing was saidâ and âHis characterâ which are two fallacies.
- Attacking his Character doesnât do anything in regards to the subject, if we were talking about RP, I would take it into consideration but this has nothing to do with RPers.
- You have no evidence stating Blizzard was against or condemned his statement on the matter, which the lack of evidence doesnât mean it wasnât supported.
- Group limitation and banning addons are two separate issues.
In regards to those autoque addons.
- Their purpose was to cause imbalance in RBGâs in where they can que 40 people into the same RBG.
- Auto Queing is a violation of TOS, but the group limitation also was put in place because of that imbalance and violating TOS rule #1.
Track records donât necessarily prove facts, unless we are specifically going after that subject, which again has no relevance to the subject at all.
He isnât standing trial for his actions, and his actions have no relevance to the subject.
You can shout and scream all these irrelevant details but at the end of the day, Blizzard put a limitation on groups, and it wasnât simply because an addon, yes they removed the addon because of itâs automatized nature. However if that was the only problem, they wouldnât have created Group finders and put group limitations if it was intended.
This defeats the purpose via abusing the group finder to rig and create exceptional advantages to one team over another, which is what exploitation is defined as.
noun
a [limiting] condition; restrictive weakness; lack of capacity; inability or handicap:
We can go back and forth all day on definitions of words, the actions Blizzard has taken substantiate this and follows the EULA, and ToS, but you have nothing to substantiate your point of view other than the lack of evidence, which in itself is not a valid argument, itâs a fallacy.
They donât, they keep using fallacious arguments and irrelevant information to justify their âpointâ which has yet to be proven. Then demanding burden of proof from others, while lacking any of their own.
So far we have provided the EULA, which âWasnât enoughâ, we provided a statement by a GM, which was requested by said person, then we even went through what the description and purpose of these addons.
We even went further and explored why they added a limit cap on groups on top of the addon ban. Which are two separate issues, yes they are connected but they each serve a specific purpose.
Said GM even made a point on this, which coincides with what iâve stated.
IF it was just auto queing, we would still have 40 man premade rbgs.
We donât. The Addon is banned on top of it.
They donât want automation of ques, they donât want 40man RBG groups.
They even implemented Group finders to resolve the issue on their terms.
Said people are now abusing raid finder to get 30-40 people in a group to grief players trying to gear, while they show up with max geared players.
Said groups like Ruinâs Guild leader, justify it because âwell there is a massive power gap in ilvlâ
They literally use and abuse the system they know is broken, in attempts to portray themselves as good, well intentioned players, when they are not.
when you answer in earnest and they only respond with more trolling, i always keep these two quotes in mind:
If someone doesnât value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide that proves they should value evidence. If someone doesnât value logic, what logical argument would you invoke to prove they should value logic?
-Sam Harris
Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
-Mathew 7:6
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Iâve only ended up in a Ruin premade once, through random queuing. It was an IoC and it was roughly half Ruin and half randoms like me.
I didnât seen anything questionable going on. We even lost the match.
It seems that way. They will post for premade groups if they donât have enough of their own, they then use this to recruit people as âCorporalshipâ as Ruins Guild leader calls it. He picks all the high Ilvl players, gives leadership to already well established players he trusts to all que at the same time in their discord. He demonstrates this on live stream.
It seems ânormalâ it isnât.
Sometimes they will sacrifice 5 players to get 35 players into a que as well.
So realistically you might have 5 pugs, but youâre playing with a premade and then start using that as a form of recruitment to expand their membership.
It doesnât, because they are two separate issues.
In fact they even utilized a group finder to mitigate the issue, and put group limits, if they can ban addons, why put a group limitation?
They can ban bots and software that is programmed to do x,y,z and repeat, which can be detected on itâs own.
Same can be said with auto queing, nothing new there. However if your statement was true, they would also have put 40man RBGâs back in the game, your argument is self-defeating.
Youâve communicated false information, and made an argument that wasnât even remotely based in 100% facts but coincidence, and tried to imply two issues were the same issue, when they were not.
âBreak addonsâ why were they trying to break an addon whose entire purpose was to que entire groups of people into the same RBG? That was the purpose of the addons mentioned, why do they not want it? What difference does it make if you auto que 40 people into an rbg? It doesnât really make much of a difference, the main problem and focal point of it, was the 40man and other premade groups rigging RBGâs to their favor and exploiting the system in doing so, violating terms of service #1 and #2. As stated above.
- Yet you canât refute them other than implying two separate issues are the same, and you have no evidence supporting this claim being true specifically.
- âBlock quotingâ You mean the EULA that you probably havenât read?
- Again your argument is from ignorance, meaning youâre suggesting that whether they know or donât know, or that their actions themselves reflect their knowledge of the issue is justifying what youâre doing. This isnât necessarily true, as botters exist to this day and nothing happens to them.
Yet all your arguments are fallacies, which only takes away from your attempt to derail the argument and insult.
Having a person with two heads, and both as flaccid as each other only leaves a disappointed audience. Youâre not stimulating brain cells with your terrible unsupported arguments and whataboutism.
No it isnât. They clearly stated the intent was to break addons who automated processes, the same as they do with botting software. If they intended to break people being able to queue together, then why arenât people banned for it? You keep claiming that itâs against the rules, yet this behavior has continued unabated for 10+ years after this CM said something. Hence why I said you are arguing with hypotheticals.
Also, GMs/CMs have confirmed queueing in 5 player parties isnât in and of itself against TOS. Itâs been done since time immemorial.
Your entire argument is based again on documents youâve either mis-interpreted or clearly havenât read and arguing with hypotheticals in spite of GM/CMs saying different things to what you are claiming. Nothing Iâve said is false. We are also, in fact, not banned. You insulting the developers repeatedly because you got your fee-fees hurt isnât helping your case either.
IT WAS BANNED BECAUSE IT AUTOMATED THE QUEUEING PROCESS. Are you being intentionally dumb at this point? It wasnât because of premades otherwise they would have started actioning people who were doing it. You again are misquoting things, inventing nonsense from a document youâre just using to formulate arguments from, and just being a general dullard. Nothing weâve done is in any way exploitative because a) itâs within the parameters set by Blizzard, and b) can be done by everyone.
You constantly fail to even counter that, just repeating the same stupid EULA argument or trying to conflate other things. PvP situation/PvP solution. No GM interference. No bans. No TOS breaking.
The issue at hand in the CMs comment was again primarily addons automatic processes, the same crap that got the drawing addon banned in ICC and why they donât allow key broadcasting automation. Those fall under Rule 3, which is talking about addons and not human beings queueing in groups to join BGs together. You keep implying it is talking about the latter, when itâs referring to the former.
Rules 1 and 2 you keep interpreting however you wish to support your argument when Blizzard has clearly not cared to talk about it or respond to the issue in over 10 years.
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Show the proof of their statements other wise it holds no weight at all. You have given me hear say this whole time along with jibberish that does not matter.
The CM post you quoted literally supports my argument lmao. Please post anything in the past I donât know 10 years where Blizzard says Premading is against the rules. Iâll wait.
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Automating the queing process breaks the rules, that is true, but that is a separate issue all together.
They implemented an automated queing system and left a system with a 5 man cap even for 40man RBGâs, now you have to exploit the finder to do exactly what this add on did.
Why did they never revert the system back, when they can detect alternative software being used in the game that is automated?
It doesnât support anything you stated, theyâre two different things all together.
The 5 man limitation was to break the addon to allow full raids to queue. Not the act of queueing itself.
People have been doing the same thing weâre doing since that CM post, including in Ashran, which I told you how it was done. No bans. Nothing. Blizzard doesnât care. Itâs epic BGs.
If they wanted to break premades period why wouldnât they have just put solo queue only in, if we use your logic? Premades have never in any way, shape or form been against the rules if theyâre using Blizzard provided methods for forming them.
If you want to argue theyâre lame, then go ahead. Thatâs a completely separate can of worms.
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So youâre saying all the software and programs blizzard has now, canât detect addons breaking the game, so how do they catch people botting when their fail safe âWardenâ triggers on alterations in the programming?
Donât you think thatâs a bit contradictory?
You also have no answer for why they never brought 40 manâs back if that is the case.