Have you ever tried to fight off a large wild animal that has rabies with a pool noodle? That’s what it feels like to fight a warrior, DH, Ret, etc as an enhancement. It’s like one of those dreams where you’re fighting and it feels like your punching underwater, doing zero damage to an enemy who’s laughing at you.
The only thing you can do is to hope and pray, to cross your fingers, that after 10 stacks of maelstrom, your elemental blast crits or if you use p-wave, your lightning bolt crits. That’s literally it. There is no consistent damage. It’s not just my rando butt either, look at all the tier lists from streamers. Whether it’s PvE or PvP. They all rank it as garbage damage wise. BECAUSE IT IS. WHERE IS THE DAMAGE??? THERE’S NOTHING THERE!!!
Sure, with the stormreaver pvp talent/astral shift/bulwark totem, you can survive for a bit. There’s some solid utility and CC. The talent tree has been improved(somewhat). The arsenal and rotation of damage abilities is cool…there’s just…NO ACTUAL DAMAGE!
Honestly, I would be okay if they lowered the mega hits from P-wave ----> lighting bolt crits, if they gave us some solid sustain. Like you know, actually make storm strike and lava lash hit with some juice, and not tickle their little feetsies with a feather and offer to bring them a snack.
Outside of big ele blast crits and lighting bolt crits, you just tickle them man. You’re just spinning around with lava lash, stormstrike, icestrike and twerking on them. You’re like an exotic dancer with less strength and power and LESS DAMAGE. If you don’t hit them with a big crit with 10 stacks of maelstrom, you have to say “Please, let me take this entire bottle of tranquilizers before you have your way with me.” The damage needs to be tuned on it. It’s not rocket science. People saying its just pre-patch or its just beta…you really believe in your heart it’s going to be tuned for TWW? What other specs have this kind of pathetic damage?
The spec is really cool. It’s fun. It’s dynamic. It’s varied with a broad tool kit. There’s a good ceiling in terms of potential skill on it. It just…DOES NO FRICKIN’ DAMAGE!
Can’t speak of pvp, but Enhance specifically the Stormbringer hero tree is doing very well in M+ and raid content in TWW beta.
Nobody really cares how things are doing rn in live, we’re in the limbo phase of nothing mattering and just a waiting room of in-between mechanic stuff.
At this point I wish I didn’t even buy the expansion already. Every tier list puts Enhance as the worst melee, just like every season just about.
For PvP dude, you just gotta roll another class or not play the expansion because it’s just not going to change. They buffed ELE and they’ll just say, well you can roll ELE, we don’t have to fix the spec you play. Warbands were a band aid for dealing with flavor of the month bad spec design so there was convenience when switching. But don’t unsub we just want you to roll another spec or class.
I had a ton of fun with Stormbringer Enhance on Beta. If the numbers…really, really aren’t there (they are awful as best I can tell in pre-patch right now), they’ll get buffed before season one starts.
Step 1: Slather your pool noodle with loads of honey.
Step 2: Give bear pool noodle.
Step 3: Sit down and talk with bear. As Enhance you don’t always have to fight to resolve problems.
Step 4: Profit.
I know you’re just trying to get honey you fat dirty bear. You could have at least posted on one of your non-bear alts you sneak around on to not give the game away.
This is what I saw on the beta, more or less. But damn do those Ele Blasts chunk people. I watched one of Dalaran’s dueling tournaments and an Enhancement shaman knocked out 5 consecutive players on the beta. I think Enhancement will end up okay, but definitely not meta. I don’t think Enhancement will be meta any time soon, it lacks the defensives. It’s not even a damage problem so much as you just get trained by any decent team.
Taking a quick peep at your Profile you’re low 1600s, challenger II, in 2s and 3s. Around that 1600-1800 rating, I really don’t think Enhance will hold you back that much. There were a few Enhancement shaman up above 3000 solo shuffle in S4. Bigdam did take up like 8 spots, but Saul, Drinkprime, Roar, Static all hit 3000 personal rating.
I think Enhance is in decentish shape going into TWW for PvP specifically, and I’m sure quite a few players will find those 3k ratings again, despite the issues. You’re barely playing at half that rating so I think you should be fine.
At the end of the day, it’s a game. If you’re not having fun, don’t play it
Enhance is honestly a good dueling spec and has been for awhile. It has a broad arsenal that can deal very well with 1 v 1 situations. Not an indicator of it’s poor performance in arena and rbg’s.
That’s from season 4 DF and that’s as Resto Sham. My first season healing in arenas. I got a bit over 1800 in Solo Shuffle and 1600-1700 range in 2’s and 3’s. 1600s in 2’s and 3’s is by no means great, but its as a new healer in pick up groups. That’s not indicative of enhancements viability.
You saying there’s been people that are 3k rating as enhancement is a piss poor argument for enhance’s viability in arenas. There’s a few sweats with a megaton of experience(literally thousands of hours in the case of BigDaM) like BigDam that can make enhance work. That’s a poor measure of how well the spec performs overall. Look at the distribution of rating for enhance compared to almost every other class. There’s a sharp drop off after those few top guys. Look at Ret, Dh, Warr, etc. through DF. You see a ton of people easily able to get 2k+ with those specs without being that great at the game. I know people(my brother) that still clicked some of there abilities and got to 2k rating as a Ret or DH. Try doing that as enhance. There’s a reason why it’s one of the most(if not the most) under represented specs.
Some players got Frost Dk to 2.4k+, does that mean Frost Dk wasn’t almost comically under tuned in DF? Of course not. The few players able to get to high rating isn’t indicative of the spec being well below average
The argument of “You can still get 2.4+ rating potentially” is pretty dog crap. Most people that play the game are not rank 1 players, nor will they ever be. Just because a small number of people can get high rating with the spec, doesn’t mean it isn’t in serious need of attention. Asking for the spec to be more accessible to the average player isn’t being a crybaby who doesn’t want to practice and improve.
“It can be good in duels and BigDaM, his 50 enhance alts, and 3 other guys make it work in arena” isn’t a sterling defense for it.
I have fun. I have more fun when the specs I play are not in the gutter relative to most other specs. It’s not just me and my dinky 1.8k rating either. There’s the most experienced pvpers in all of WoW who all rank it as the worst PvP spec right now. It’s one of the few specs that’s broadly agreed upon in terms of how crappy it is. As of now, the damage is piss poor and it still lacks mobility.
Is this a joke? What are you ungeared or something? Ascendance absolutely destroys people. Maybe get gear, and bait defensives before you say that. Enhance does plenty of damage.
The reason enhance is hard to play in pvp is usually a lack of defensive options which has been partially remedied, and kill secure. It will blast away 90% of someones health then struggle to get that last 10% before they get healed. The damage is up and down, when your burst is up, you nuke them, but you run out before you can finish them.
Enhance requires the mindset of a scrappy underdog. Without that, you’re never gonna excel and are really just a dk/ret player with delusions of grandeur.
You’re not the strongest dude in the room but that gives Enhance players the will to succeed. You’ll be underestimated and you can use it to your advantage.
I’m gonna level as Enhance and crush with my hammers. The hyperbole in these comments about the weakness of Enhance will be good fuel. If your plan was to slyly seek buffs by having a pity party, in my wake I will be sending a horde of whining forum posters to cry for Enh nerfs and counteract you.
Cute post bro. When reality hits, and you become a peg boy being dragged around in a gimp suit with a ball gag in by a Ret or Dk, film your mom changing your soiled power ranger undies trying to calm you with a hot pocket.
OK, after level to 80 in warmode as Enhance, I can say every single person here who claims the damage is too low is just straight up demented or has an agenda.
Enhance feels great and has everything you need and more for a DPS class. I’m sure some classes have more straight up damage overall, but it’s hard to deny the burst from back-to-back Tempests. Not to mention the utility and healing surges are great.
So I want to add this in case anyone is looking at Enhance and thinking these doomers have any merit. They don’t. Enhance is a scary beast right now.
I didn’t have beta access so I couldn’t get gear. But when you watch all the ENH PvP streamers, and every other non ENH streamer put ENH as S tier because it does no damage everyone can’t be playing it wrong.
Watch some vids of no ENH streamers tier lists. Watch Saul’s stream. You will see beta end game ENH is a wet pool noodle.
It has nothing to do with me or my gear or how I play. And it definitely has nothing to do with pre patch.
First of all, use punctuation, that was not very coherent.
Secondly, beta wasnt mentioned, and even if it was you are still wrong. you specifically said Ascendance does no damage, you are wrong, it trucks. It’s uptime is just garbage or rng.
Thirdly, they are trucking in beta too, but suffer from the same problem they always have, low burst up time, overly vulnerable to stuns, and overly reliant of self heals in dampening settings.
Learn the class, gear up, then form an opinion. Pointing the finger at the wrong thing and calling it the problem just makes things worse.
How about mobility against really mobile ranged classes like devokers or mages? I feel like the issue with enhance can be having trouble consistently closing the gap on ranged classes.
I don’t think we need anything new, but reducing the cooldown on Feral Lunge seems to be in order. 30 seconds is pretty steep.
As someone who played enhance a lot on beta, enhance in arenas isnt a scary beast, but in bgs they can perform well.
Theyre too reliant on rng or 3 min burst window to truly be effective right now, and outside that burst window their damage is lower than frost dk outside their burst (lowest in the game)
