I took one Bartle test and it says I’m 73% Killer, 60% Explorer, 53% Achiever, and 13% Socializer.
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Games literally tried for decades to do this and failed. The dev community debated at length how to get rid of Killers because they were seen as a problem. All anyone ever managed to do was fail to occupy the killer with engaging acceptable content which directed their interests to more destructive pursuits.
You take out PvP and you still have Killers. They just park their mammoth mount on top of the quest giver to grief people.
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I always quoted Illidan, “The Hunter is nothing without the Hunt.”
If there’s no worthwhile PvP to get, I become nothing. People on the forums would have picked up on my “depression”, as it were. The sad, old, obese cat whose teeth fell out and can’t hunt anymore.
I do draw the line at “essential” tasks unless it’s on vendetta, and simply prefer the finer sport of WPvP. It’s one of the reasons I liked Stormwind and Ironforge, even though I got tired of going there after a while, because you’re not really DOING anything critically important 9/10 times.
I respected the raw power of Darkshire SWAT(a Sargeras guild) back then too and made sure I didn’t goof it up too much around Duskwood, so it’s almost how there’s a mutual live-and-let-live among killers.
I think it was a hardcore Socializer that “rebirthed” me. He did nothing but troll Trade chat all day, as he claimed he was the “#1 Hunter”. So I’m not ashamed to say that I am trollspawn, because it’s spade-talk for how I tried for years to make core raiding work as a Warlock. I ran and rolled with a lot of bad people that kept me down, until some goofy nelf from dewn undah thought he was the #1 Hunter and I rerolled on a dare to dispute it.
An object lesson that you never know what you can conceive by trolling…
That’s the irony: I don’t really think I started out as a Killer. I might have been a quasi Achiever, because I could remember back in Vanilla I was pressing my first guild to get the ball rolling to start doing MC and then BWL. I remembered how cool looking the Nemesis and Plagueheart sets were for Warlock.
Ultimately, I got stuck with a bunch of Socializers. This was when I was a young, dumb, and full of gum early 20-something.
I wish I had gotten a hold of Dr. Bartle’s work a lot sooner, but my “friends” didn’t care about making sure I found the right place in the game. They only cared about how useful I was to them AND how less of a nuisance I can be. Turns out that the truth shines through eventually…
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Dear Diary.
It’s October, my dude.
If they took away War Mode and Flying mounts… OHHHH pvpers can only dream.
I’ll put it to you this way: I had some BAD nights in Tol Barad like that.
Turn off WM? Nah.
Flying? Nah.
Patrols going around the quests? Yah.
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87,67,40,7%
Killer, Socializer, Explorer, Achiever.
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Very strange. You’re more of a Killer than me…
It would describe in detail I have some hard limits about my Killership. I’m guessing that since you scored so high in Socializer, you might be of the likes of those that organize WPvP in the old fashioned ways I’m sorta seeing in Grobb.
I know about Hydra(HAIL HYDRA) and their historical rivalry with Ruin Gaming and Cryptids League. There’s probably a lot of socializing that goes on in those circles. I know that for Ruin and CL, you have to be able to plug in like that and get involved with people.
That’s never really been my style. I got tired of hearing people just coming on to talk even though there’s really nothing wrong with that. I’m aware that goes back full circle towards the Nintendo, the Super Nintendo, the Sega Genesis, the Nintendo 64, the PlayStation 2, the XBox…
You just have those games and that’s it. You might have some friends over to share and watch, but that’s about it.
I came from RP MUDs where you had to have an IC justification to PK people so a lot of what you would do is antagonize people or build relationships with people to get enemies through offenses or allegiances. Like you’d get married in game so that you could PK your spouses enemies. You’d insult someone’s spouse to get them, and their whole clan of necromancers to start a war with your clan of nature worshipping rangers.
So my whole gaming career, killing and socializing have been intertwined.
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Grobbulus might as well be a carebear server. It’s hardly the RP-PvP as such you spoke of.
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Big talk for someone without Skyscourge.
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Thats one surefire way to make sure WPVP actually does die.
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OH I was being sarcastic and funny, I loves ma flying mount.
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Killers are not griefers. Those actively wanting to fight, that is not griefing. That is wanting a battle to fight. To engage a worthy enemy. The thrill of the fight, and battle.
When people all get burned out on pve, they always turn to pvp. Nothing is a greater opponent than another human player.
We really need some war mode changes or pvp servers with bonus stuff to do. All these AMAZING zones from vanilla to now, and they go unused. So many possiblities.
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I actually knew someone IRL who actually said that flying mounts in TBC was going to kill WPvP, and he said it in an unironic, depressed way, as if what we knew of it in Vanilla was over forever.
“But I don’t want to be forced to PvP, boo boo bee boo.”
I tried to make it clear that I am referencing Dr. Bartle’s Taxonomy of players and not just grasping at some vague concept.
In that context, the Killer and the Griefer are the same person. Not to be confused with the Explorer, who enjoys overcoming challenges, mastering systems and solving puzzles or the achiever/collector who enjoys getting all the stuff and completing check lists and getting titles. Not everyone who engages in PvP is a killer.
I am a Killer/Socializer. I don’t really care about the systems or the challenge. I am big on immersion so I like to become my character and then when I am my character I want to slay my enemy players. I want to kill all the quest givers in Tarren Mill on my fresh DK, instead of leveling my DK. In addition, when I am playing horde, I want to call for help killing the fresh DK terrorizing Tarren Mill, or respond to calls for help while I’m in the area on my stronger toon. Not to help complete a quest. Just to kill enemy players. I want to be recognized for it by fellow members of my faction on my server. I don’t care about the challenge. I want to grief my enemies and be known by my Allies.
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If only players could do something about this if they actually cared to…
In an MMO (which we have established blizzard is increasingly not developing WoW as) it is the devs job to put the people in places to encounter other people with which to react.
Wpvp happened naturally in vanilla through wrath because the game required you to transit the overworld for everything.
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Blizzard’s done a good job by making safety towns to idle in in each zone.
I certainly feel more apt to leave Dornogal, knowing i have some place I can safely afk when I need to.
This leads to me killing so many night elves.
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