End the war on solo gameplay in WoW

[Avelpally-frostmourne]

@Nethegot-wyrmrest-accord

When the people in said group have an attitude like yours and condescend and insult instead of helping to improve, then yes. And god forbid I get a sword that’s the same level as my armor

So again its someone else fault?
If you want better gear go get it like everyone who has it did…

Also this

@Snozh-malganis

I have no problems helping anyone that’s actually wanting to learn and improve.

I only mock those wanting free handouts for the joke that is solo content

@Falohar-dalaran

Why does the worst player in a raid deserve better gear than a solo player who actually had to earn everything he got?

Because they probably still put in more than the solo player did. Of they are truly useless to their group and need replacing.

[Snozh-malganis]

@Theresa-sisters-of-elune

Raiding and solo content can both be equally rewarding and the game servers would not explode from the injustice to group content.

They both already are.

@Theresa-sisters-of-elune

But all players should have the right to experience power progression in WoW even if they don’t want to or can’t raid.

You dont have the right to anything. You have the same opportunity that evern other player has.

@Theresa-sisters-of-elune

I think that 259 gear (in every slot including weapons) would be a fair starting point to maintain the development progress that we made in Korthia, even without tier set bonuses. But if devs insist on capping casuals at 252, at least give us tier set bonuses and weapons to make up for the -7 item level nerf, for Elune’s sake.

259 is way too high. Stop being delusional.

Stop saying casual players are capped at 252 because its a flat out lie. SOLO players are capped at 252 by choice.

[Avelpally-frostmourne]

@Snozh-malganis

by choice.

And yet they dont seem willing to accept the consequences of their own choice…

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

@Avelpally-frostmourne

And yet they dont seem willing to accept the consequences of their own choice…

Gee, sounds familliar, who else can that apply to…oh, anyone that uses the “forced” argument.

They chose to min/max
They choose to do the content that lets them do such
They choose to be in guilds that require such

I get that some play that way, they think they have to be the best, or as close to it as they can get, in everything, but come on it is a choice people make, which means it is never forced on anyone.

[Avelpally-frostmourne]

Yea pretty much.
People who are wanting to push top 100 world kills imo dont really have a case for complaining that they are expected to have alts etc. Those people dont tend to be the ones stamping their feet and demanding “change or I unsub”. That at least seems to the the specialty of the lower end players.

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

Sidelining the ilvl argument for a bit, would it at least be reasonable to ask for weapons, which can be a big part of a character’s stat pool, be included from ZM at the same ilvl as every other piece of gear there?

[Avelpally-frostmourne]

Yea idk why they wouldn’t have everything available. Should be able to get a full set including weps imo.

[Malvader-zuljin]

Never ceases to amaze when players who don’t do group content expect to be able to solo for gear that is only needed in group content.

[Jhannae-bronzebeard (Jhannae)]

@Eleusia-myzrael

Right game, but wrong expac. WoW was booming as an MMO when it was innovative with regards to solo-friendly content. I want this game to cater to everyone.

@Eleusia-myzrael

But it is not OK if world content is patches behind max iLvl raiding gear in power levels, and devs tune things like Torghast around having max iLvl.

WoW has solo-content… it has massive solo content. But you consumed them all and you want more. The other massive content you are missing is the group content and you refuse to do it. When you’re max’d out on solo, to get more, you have to explore the group content. That’s the game mechanics. That is how this game is designed.

Therefore, it seems you are in a wrong game as you want more Solo games. You are limited in terms of gear and you are unhappy. The game offers you more stuff but it’s on group content and you refuse to do it. I am very sorry for you. It seems this game is not for you. If you want to be happy with this game, you have to do Solo and group content.

Before, I was a 24/7 no life WoW addict who raids, pvp and do a lot of 5-man dungeons. Then as time goes by, I have to quit my WoW addiction, I became Casual as my play time became limited. I continued to play WoW with limited play time. I was not happy becoz I cant raid anymore… cant engage to higher difficulty content as I have limited playtime. It’s like the game offers a lot of stuffs and I cant enjoy them. So I thought of quitting.

Then WoW evolved and introduced Mythic+. It gave me higher difficulty gaming for my limited play time. An WoW made Dungeon Finder for Raids where I could join some short Raids. Now, I am happy again becoz I could access what the game offers even if I have limited play time.

And I understand your frustration if you are not getting 100% of the game since you prefer to skip group content … which is a massive fun content that Blizz offers that other games dont have.

[Nethegot-wyrmrest-accord]

@Avelpally-frostmourne

So again its someone else fault?

No, I’m just explaining why it’s not an enjoyable experience for me. I do occasionally raid in my guild, but I’m usually not available when they raid and I don’t like pugging with people I don’t know.

It’s my choice not to raid or do M+ and I can live with missing out on that stuff. My argument is about consistency. It IS Blizzard’s choice (not fault, there’s a difference) to deny me a weapon this tier, when they have placed no such restriction in the past. (See below.)

@Avelpally-frostmourne

If you want better gear go get it like everyone who has it did…

In the past three patches, I have been able to eventually get around a normal raid ilvl weapon from solo content (typically long after a raider would’ve gotten something better). If you disagree with that design philosophy on principle, fine. But it is the way Blizzard has made the game since at least the end of BFA, and I’m just wondering why it’s suddenly a problem for them in this patch when it wasn’t before.

TL;DR–> I am not asking for anything MORE in terms of gear from world content than what Blizzard has already been providing; I am just asking for them to be more or less consistent patch to patch.

EDIT:

@Avelpally-frostmourne

Should be able to get a full set including weps imo.

Just saw this. This was my whole argument, not that the ilvl should be better:

@Nethegot-wyrmrest-accord

And god forbid I get a sword that’s the same level as my armor

[Jäi-destromath]

I only play solo and in SL I maxed out my gear at 233 ilvl. Since I don’t do dungeons, raids, PVP, etc. - there’s no need for my ilvl to be any higher. If I wanted to craft a legendary and make it higher, I could, but I hate Torghast. But I don’t need a legendary. I am able to kill everything other than world bosses in SL on my own with relative ease/quickly. What more do I need? To be able to kill something in 1.5 seconds instead of 2? =/

[Fierywang-wyrmrest-accord]

valor tokens

[Eleusia-myzrael]

@Jäi-destromath

I only play solo and in SL I maxed out my gear at 233 ilvl.

It seems that many players max out their gear using the soloable methods available, as you did.

Korthia gear was not just a catch-up for many players, so game devs need to remember that max-level content and rewards need to be good because that will be the main WoW experience for many players.

@Jäi-destromath

If I wanted to craft a legendary and make it higher, I could, but I hate Torghast. But I don’t need a legendary. I am able to kill everything other than world bosses in SL on my own with relative ease/quickly.

Torghast is a non-issue for solo players that don’t want to do it—especially since most SL legendaries are so weak—but for those solo players that want to enjoy Torghast, the game systems are broken because there is no way to obtain good enough gear to comfortably progress through the higher layers.

[Maalpractice-proudmoore]

@Twíst-proudmoore

@Eleusia-myzrael

Do you hope to force your solo and willfully casual players into graduating into difficult group content in order to increase time played and increase WoW token sales, all while saving yourselves the development costs of producing alternative content?

Maybe they just want an MMO TO BE AN MMO.

There are single player rpg games. There’s no need to cater to a market for which this game genre is not.

What they really want is for their subscription numbers to increase for a change, thus increasing profits to their shareholders. Unfortunately they are really bad at doing this. Mainly because their leadership has other priorities than making a good game.

[Maalpractice-proudmoore]

@Twíst-proudmoore

@Ermal-the-scryers

Cater to, perhaps not. Giving solo players some reasonable and fun content, yes, and if they continue not to do so, WoW will have significantly fewer long term players. Again.

Sure. But there’s no solo content that requires tier sets. Even content like the mage tower would have the bonuses removed.

I’m 1000% for content. But access to x ilvl gear or x system of gear just doesn’t matter when it comes to the difficulty that blizzard makes solo content.

If they make more solo content that’s difficult and REQUIRES power from ilvl or systems (like tier set bonuses), then I think you’d have a great argument. But as WoW stands now, it seems like asking for access to a race car engine when you’re traversing in a bike path.

The game needs better content (bike paths) for solo players, not access to big engines

using that premise, the jailer(final boss) doesnt need to drop any gear, because you wont need that gear to beat him. Just have him drop the achievement and the mount and thats all he needs to drop.

[Maalpractice-proudmoore]

@Crowxar-moon-guard

@Ermal-the-scryers

How long would raiders or M+ players play if they never got more powerful?

Thats why they do harder content?

If you only do +4s you get +4 equipment. Once your capped on that yeah, they stop doing 4s. Either by moving up in difficulty or they stop running dungeons. Thats up to the player. That doesnt make it a fault in the system.

Remind me of Legion (I think it was legion) where the SECOND Alchemy quest was to go get corks from group content. That shut down the entire Alchemy profession for solo players, right out of the starting blocks.

Imagine being asked to do multiplayer content in a multiplayer game.

All multiplayer content can be completed in Normal dungeon modes, or LFR raid modes. You do not need to increase the difficulty past the item level you get from standard solo equipment, and LFR/Normal dungeons is the bare minimum you are asked to do.

They do the harder content for the teamwork and challenge. Go to the master loot threads and they will tell you all about it. They will tell you the loot is irrelevant.

[Sabbia-moonrunner (Sabbia)]

@Maalpractice-proudmoore

What they really want is for their subscription numbers to increase for a change, thus increasing profits to their shareholders. Unfortunately they are really bad at doing this. Mainly because their leadership has other priorities than making a good game.

So what would make a good game?

[Maalpractice-proudmoore]

cater to the many ways to play, instead of catering to only 1 or 2 ways and ignoring the rest. Allowing players of 1 path to dominate the rest of the game.

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

Going for quality and not quantity for content

[Sabbia-moonrunner (Sabbia)]

@Maalpractice-proudmoore

cater to the many ways to play, instead of catering to only 1 or 2 ways and ignoring the rest. Allowing players of 1 path to dominate the rest of the game.

Well, good news, they already do this!