End Premades

It doesn’t though. You keep saying that it does, and then I tell you your proof is insufficient, and you keep presenting the same proof.

It doesn’t ensure the same number of people on each team, not even when the bg opens. It asks 20 people or 30 people if they want to enter the BG, and then even if a lot of people pick the hide option, it still makes the BG open, and tries to fill as best it can. That’s not ensuring a fair fight.

Level brackets would be an argument for fairness if there was 2 to 3 times as many of them. As it is, we have x0 vs x9 players, which is a grossly unfair matchup. I’d concede this was a fairness design choice if it was 2-3, maybe a 4 level gap at most, and 60s with no levellers at all.

The system prioritizes getting fast games with technically eligable players as much as possible. It does not have any criteria which effectively ensures a fair game, or even tries to.

Arguing “but there could be no level brackets at all, or no team size restrictions at all, so it tries for some baseline level of fairness” is asinine, and frankly, you should be better than that.

I don’t support the easy way that is why I don’t support Pug V Premade.

Do you hit that cancel button before the res when your Premade is losing to another? Smells kinda fishy around here.

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What you’re telling me you’ve seen level 20 with level 60’s in WSG? Weird I never have. The system doesn’t maintain team sizes in games your in? Weird it always does for me.

Both of the criteria I mentioned are very effective at at least ensuring the games have some basic standards of fairness. Are they perfect? No, but given the basic information used they are pretty good at what they do.

As I said above, they are actually very effective at what they do.

And adding some criteria for group size would be completely in line with various matching making rules already in place.

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"do you hit that cancel button before the res when your premade is losing to another?

ok bro first of all you have to make more sense when you use words. lets break it down though i think youre trying to say “does your group give up if they fight another premade?” and my answer is no my premade group always won every game they ever played. i dont know what losing feels like. its really never crossed my mind. what an odd question.

Man, im guessing you never played organized sports lol. In no sport does the organizer just randomly pick a team of 5 people to play against a team lol. You make a team then play against another team.

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and in organized sports there are bad players and good players. the bad players get beat by the good players.

Battlegrounds are team games. If you pug you didn’t even bother making a team, you just showed up expecting rewards.

yea you never played sports because you missed the point lol. gg

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Could you at least pretend to read the posts you’re responding to?

It’s rather difficult to find value in talking to you if you’re not going to bother reading what’s being written.

Ah then you should have no problem continuing your streak against other premades in Premade V Premade.

It’s just so odd that your against it and yet you’ve beaten every other premade out there. I think you’ll do swell!

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Lol, it would be unfair to the bad premades he’d beat up but would still destroy pugs. Think about it, game theory guarantees premades end within a week if there is no honor per hour differential.

Battlegrounds are team games. Pugs don’t even bother making a team, it’s amazing they show up expecting to win.

And you are straight up lying if you claim that things like enforcing level brackets and team sizes are not effective at maintaining some basic levels of fairness when it comes to team composition.

I’m guessing that’s why you can’t explain why they’re not effective.

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I just can’t shake the feeling that you want your rewards through the easiest way possible. This is Classic you know, rewards have to be earned.

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YOU want your rewards through the easiest way possible. Joyson beat his head against the wall that was in place until he got gud, you want to CHANGE the system and remove the wall because you can’t adapt to it.

yeah bro, i earned my rewards. i did premade AV for 3 days straight 12 hours a day didnt lose a single match got exalted got my epics got rank 7 and never did another battleground again because i was tired of beating everyone 1v1 and 40v40. sometimes it takes 3 or 4 horde to even get me to half health.

I have explained why they aren’t effective. twice now, both in fairly long posts.

I suggest you read them; until you do, I’m afraid we’re done talking.

Then again, this never was about being correct for you, was it? It was about complaining and whining until you got your way.

Best of luck with that.

your point was that there are teams fighting random players. and my point is that you choose to be a random player. stop being a victim. go cry and make another post about how unfair it is that everyone cant be as bad as you.

Sounds like to me you took the easy way and had a premade carry you against pugs.

You’re afraid that you won’t have it as easy against other premades, those are the people who oppose the seperation of Pugs and Premades.

And you are simply wrong in both those posts. Both those criteria are working exactly as designed and create much fairer games than if they weren’t in place. As I said when was the last time you saw a level 20 in the same BG as a 60? Or had a match where the system didn’t fill both teams to full eventually?

You just don’t like that matching premades vs premades would not be some completely new thing, it would merely be an extension of rules that already exist in the match making system to create fair matches.

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if you want to pretend youre a victim go ahead bro. im here to enlighten you and lift this burden off your shoulders. you are free. you can do anything you set your mind to. you too can succeed and be good at pvp. all it takes is some effort.