From freecasting LoD at 125% power to freecasting LoD at 30% power.
I knew it was too good to be true. I’ll miss you, beta Empyrean Legacy. You served me well.
they need to seriously buff up other talents or greater judgement, as they just made Judgement not worth casting again, EL was what glued the button to the spec and made it functional LMAO
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I’m honestly surprised it didn’t happen sooner. Also, depending on what that wording means with Empyreal Legacy being stackable, it either means you aren’t forced to spend it right away while casting judgment, or you can do it twice for a 60% effective LoD instead of having to immediately try to spend it.
Really? I was under the impression that it generating two holy power when consuming infusions for one global was the main factor in spamming it. I certainly see it being devalued for herald, but Lightsmith is still going to love chucking hammers for Hammer and Anvil procs.
Also the damage buffs are pretty neat, judgment’s damage is looking to be buffed by about 21% and HoW by about 58% if i got the math right.
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I can understand the nerf, the talent was so strong and proced so often that we never actually used Light of Dawn.
I imagine they want us to use LoD in AoE situations instead of getting free AoE from a single target heal.
Still hurts tho.
What shocks me is that nerfed Avenging Crusader, why? I don’t think anyone was using it in PvE, not even Lightsmiths.
Also:
- Developers’ notes: These [damage] changes should result in a net neutral change for Judgment and Consecration, a slight buff for Shield of the Righteous and Crusader Strike, and a larger buff for Holy Shock and Hammer of Wrath.
How true do you think this is lol, a “net neutral change”, knowing Blizz i bet this still ends up being a nerf.
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If i did the math right, then Hammer of Wrath is getting a 58% damage increase and crusader strike a 38% damage increase @ level 90. While I’m sure you still have a point about AC still being considered ‘too weak’ I can understand being cautious with the numbers with such massive buffs to the damage of those skills.
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Same, I can’t even be mad about it. It was ridiculously powerful, and all but destroyed the need to ever use the actual LoD button itself for any reason. I knew it was coming, I just wasn’t emotionally prepared.
Also, i thought Blizzs entire class design philosophy for Midnight was reducing the number of buffs/procs/abilities.
I was fine tracking the old Empyrean Legacy but now that it stacks twice how am i meant to track that without WeakAuras? Constantly look at my buffs to see if i have two stacks? I’m having trauma flashbacks to old days of Holy Power.
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I’m also not surprised it was nerfed. Compared to other talents, EL was kinda nuts. Look at the talents in the capstone section:
- Rising Sunlight is a 1-1.5% increase on average
- Seraphic Barrier is net neutral and really only good to eat into overhealing. Plus Shields don’t beacon transfer kids.
- Pillars of light is 300 healing every 3 seconds or 200 hps on your beacon targets who are arguably the targets who need that kind of healing the least.
- Call of the Righteous (wings CDR talent) is just worse. You give up more uptime than you get back in CDR.
- Divine Overload increasing Holy Light healing but increasing it’s mana cost. Probably a personal thing but I don’t like this talent. If your slow, expensive ST nuke heal needs 30% more, then I feel like I will hate the gameplay as a whole.
The fact that EL was doing so much healing via free LODs made it have a huge target on it’s back. It’s a shame because the other talents in our capstone section are 
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I believe it should be 70% efficiency with 2 charges. So the gameplay loop would be to line it up with a divine purpose proc. So essentially getting the same strength as pre nerf but less often and more globals. Would make it more fun and worth taking
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A lot of people are complaining about this nerf causing us to prioritize flash of light for healing and skipping judgement entirely unless we need damage or are moving. I agree judgement should be good enough to warrant use on cooldown - but it doesn’t have to be through empyrean legacy. We could buff other judgement-related talents to make it always worth it, while still having to intelligently choose between light of dawn and WoG depending on the situation.
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I think it makes sense for Resto Druids to prioritize Rejuvenation over Moonfire if healing is needed as well, so I don’t see the problem, personally. Judgment just becomes more like SotR: it does a lot of things all at once, has lower pure healing throughput than the alternatives but a lot of use cases where it is prefered.
I ran a dungeon on the beta as Herald without any of the judgment talents like EL and Crusader’s Might, and honestly? It didn’t feel as awful as I was expecting it to be. I didn’t feel the need to sit there and spam FoL like people are saying I would, the most it did was that i pressed LoD manually more and used infusion FoLs a bit more. I still found myself using judgment very frequently for the damage and consecration uptime and even still spent some of my infusions on judgment for extra holy power when no one immediately needed healing.
I guess the issue is more for raids when you want to focus more on healing instead of dps but even then I’ll probably still use judgment on occasion for mobility and building hpower in less heal intensive parts of the fight.
I still agree with the sentiment of buffing either veneration of greater judgment to compensate for the EL nerf but I’m not going to doom on this anymore.
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It definitely feels bad to have such a huge nerf to a powerful talent, I’m just trying to be sunny 
Like you said, I don’t think we’ll be spamming FoL in any case, just because Holy Shock has such a tiny cooldown that it’ll still make up the majority of our single target casts. I can definitely sympathize with hpals who just don’t want to cast AT ALL because that has been an option on and off for quite a while now.
I’m wondering if heavily nerfing the power of Judgment was intentional to help draw a dividing line between Herald and Lightsmith. Even with the nerfs, I’m confident Hammer and Anvil will make Judgment useful to cast in all situations with Lightsmith (+all the other talents). But possibly Herald will be sidelining it for the possibility of more casting-focused builds.
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The nerf should’ve happened months ago in beta testing so they can make appropriate adjustments to our kit, not 2-3 weeks before expansion is set to launch. Every spec has lynchpin nodes that glue the rotation together, that doesn’t make them unhealthy, nor does it mean it needs to be changed
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