I don’t care what item level or gear other people have. It has no bearing on my game play or fun. But the butt-hurt epeen people are crying “tHaT ScrUb ShoUld nOt haVe GeAr EquAl to rEal raIDers LikE mes!”
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The argument is the same. Replace 3 years with the next season or whatever, once again because once a teir or whatever comes and invalidates the current teir people shouldn’t bother doing the current content? How is this a good agrument. If this a good arguement ill ask again whats the point of doing anything at all in game or out if the future will invalidate what we do in the present?
And if its blizzard plan to have gear no longer be the end game achievement for peoples time invested into the current games content then they should add more cosmetic rewards
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Please. Show me the BoD Azerite piece invalidated by your Emissary Az?
You’re whinging that you don’t have to actually raid BoD to get ilvl similar, yet the pieces are inferior, and yet, you still whine that your effort is invalidated.
If BoD is invalidated by like ilvl Azerite from emissaries that have worse traits than BoD, it’s news to me.
Still, if you were about more than an Ilvl score, you might wanna still raid BoD for the kills, not simply just for the superior azerite.
You’re whinging that your work is invalidated, but your rate of progression is so slow AoTC is almost over.
You can always scrap that piece instead of giving the weak excuse that any ilvl upgrade invalidates your pursuit of better gear or challanges. You’re complaining that you get a piece of gear, but it won’t be better than BoD azerite, but it somehow makes it so you don’t have to challenge yourself further? Which is it, you want the challenge, or ilvl?
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The argument is not the same. That’s you intentionally simplifying it and handwaving it away. That’s why it’s a garbage argument.
Why farm AP now when it’s cheaper next week, and the week after that, and the week after that?
The answer is it depends on the player and what’s important to them. You’re pretending it’s a binary situation. It’s not. We have people that don’t farm it, they’re low-mid 40’s right now. They get it playing the game and don’t care about it. Then we had people who hit the cap weeks ago because it’s very important to them. Even though they know that their time and effort is literally invalidated by waiting one reset. That’s the point. The threshold as to what makes something worth doing is a personal decision and comes with an individual evaluating the future. You’re position is it doesn’t matter because we live in the present, but it absolutely does matter. It’s the difference (or at least one of them) between the guy who decides to go back and solo a Mythic raid 2 expansions later to get the transmog and someone who does it at the time. Pretending it’s a nonfactor is ludicrous.
An the said people that hit the az cap weeks ago should have been rewarded accordingly for the time an effort they put into the game.
The same with people that spend hours wiping to a boss on mythic.
An if gear is not longer the end game reward for the players that put the time an effort into the current high end content then they should be rewarded woth something else like cool cosmetics toys armpur effects. Something that last for the rest of the game.
I get what you saying dude an since gear doesnt matter an a person can just wait 2 years an go back an easily solo a mythic raid then there should be some kind of special reward that the players who do the current before it gets invalidated. Not just a title or mount we alrdy have several 100s of these but something meaningful that will last the whole game
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What it boils down to is that this game is a constant grind. You are never done grinding and, if you stop, you fall behind. After a while, you get tired of trying to be the best and just try to have fun with the game if you can.
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They were rewarded for the time and effort they put into the game. They hit the cap earlier than other people and had access to Azerite rings that have been locked for others and the ilvl increase to the neck. Which is the reason why they went ahead and farmed it even though it was going to be significantly less time consuming later. For others, that wasn’t worth it. And for both groups that was a choice predicated on knowledge of future reduction of cost. i.e. the future impacts choices we make today. Your position is garbage.
They get a reward for their effort. They stay ahead of the pack. They use that boost from having mythic gear to progress further into mythic, or the extra heart ilvls to unlock rings and perform better. They don’t need anything else. If you feel it’s not worth it because the ilvl increase isn’t big enough or doesn’t last long enough, then it’s on you to decide whether you want to keep doing it.
Yep exactly. If you’re (generally speaking) doing the grind because you like looking down on all the plebs and reveling in how much “better” you are than them you’re doing it wrong. Do it because you’re having fun and enjoying the time you spend with the people you’re doing it with.
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Yes the future is impacted by the decisions we make today. Like the guys who raids heroic thinking they will have higher gear then the person that just does world quest until the next teir releases…oh wait
lol, totally appropriate that this went up as I was editing my post. Here, because it’s especially relevant to you.
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Yes, and mount hunters go solo them later, if they choose not to raid current content.
There’s nothing funny about it, it’s obvious that the mount is the reward for completing whatever content is required for it. Don’t be obtuse. It’s no different with achievements, you do certain content to earn certain achievements. The reward is…wait for it…you get an achievement! Of course, there are achievements for current content, as well. But if you’re not up for it, you can solo it later. However, too much ez mode solo play isn’t very healthy for an mmo.
For many people trying to be the best that you can is part of the fun, an if its blizzard will that halfway through a current raid teir they are going to basically invalidate all the effort a person put into a heroic raid gear wise then they need to add a different reward for the players who chose to do the higher end content. An a feat of strength isnt a reward, it isnt something you can wear or something you can use.
Whats wrong with rewarding people for the time an effort they put into the game
Blizzard doesn’t care one bit about gear progression anymore. It’s actually hilarious that they are okay with completely invalidating normal raiding and M+ under +10s by putting equivalent gear as rewards for busy work. Ion and any of the other directors/designers who make decisions like this are complete morons.
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I mean you do know you need to have the ilvl range to get the ilvl 400 cache right?
Which you can’t get just doing WQ because the cache is unpredictable.
People tend to forget that not all players conduct M+ or Raids to obtain gear. And vice versa, some players rather M+ and Raid for good gear instead of trolling around Kul’Tiras and Zuldazar for WQ rewards which may be 30 ilvl below their current ilvl and pray to RNG Jesus for it to proc Titanforge. Some rather boost up professions, WQ, Warfronts (Stormgarde and Darkshore) to obtain gear. Everyone has their own play style, no one should cater how others “should” play. Just because someone is gearing faster than you, does not mean you can’t do the same either. The “it’s not fair” excuse it getting old. Times change, new content is created, new zones are introduces…sounds a lot like Broken Shore > Argus. Same thing happened in Legion, WQ rewards got boosted before Argus was patched. Imagine that how it’s happening in BFA. Weird…I know.
Myself, I conduct WQ’s, Warfronts and Raid BoD N mainly to obtain gear. Not so much into M+ duns. So with people saying it’s taking away from others, it’s really not. You’re still going to have people raid or run M+ regardless the WQ Emissary or reg WQ rewards. The ilvl 400 Azurite WQ Emissary rewards are justified. You can get ilvl 400 gear for +/- 687 Titanium Residual which also takes grinding M+ with weekly or BoD N/H to get the maximum possible to obtain ilvl 400 Azurite gear when you can conduct 4 Emissary WQ’s and get it from there. So, does this mean the Ethereal selling Azurite is out of business? No. I think it boots players to obtain higher ilvl’s of Azurite gear and farm WQ"s that reward Titanium mats.
All in all, most of us “veterans” see these things coming when we hear about new zones in the same expansion and we know it’s a catch up mechanic even for new 110 and 120’s to get on the same page, experience the new content for CoS and get ready for 8.2 You must understand how daunting the grind was as a fresh 110-120 to BFA and then after 120 your journey in BFA really begins. It will take an average player who just bought BFA and created a new character for the FIRST time weeks or months to get on the same level as players who are experienced that can level and gear an alt within days. Think about that for a second.
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Don’t pretend this is about “being the best that you can” as other people getting gear you think they don’t deserve doesn’t change your maximum potential at all. It’s all about wanting to pretend you’re some special snowflake that’s better than everyone else, you know, like you cried about getting a unique reward for being such an e-badass!
lol, ah you people make me laugh.
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That’s not the obsession for most, that’s a don’t get it argument. The actual issue is Blizzard rapidly invalidating their own content. When we had more strict progression there was always something to chase, even if we were behind. Now there’s WQs…to be heroic raid ready…think about it.
No one(including me) needs that type of gear to solo old content or do WQs and WFs.
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8.2 comes out in a month. Then the ilvls will be more sensible.
People are crying about Heroic gear being handed out the last month of the tier?
I just find it strange they increased the difficulty of mythic + this season by about 3 levels so a 7 being a 10 and a 10 being a 13 but left the gear ilvl the same as previous seasons.
I was fine with that, first couple of weeks they hit hard but it smoothed out.
Then to just turn around mid season and hand out near equivalent gear from doing 4 WQs…
Seems the right hand doesnt know what the left hand is doing.
Which one is it?
A month? For 8.2? Gonna need a source on that…pretty sure it’ll be like 3 months.
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Look it up. Late May.