The fact that you think that “AI is increasingly taking over” (it isn’t) and that the AI bubble is going to burst (it will) shows me that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Those are 2 contradictory statements.
Yea, people said the same thing going into wod with the last pruning too lol.
It’ll be funny when Ion or Morgan later admit, in some random interview promoting Last Titan, that their addon purge went a bit too far and alienated the community.
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It was also needed
I’m not really disputing that. I’m specifically addressing the expectation of a mass exodus of the game in response to it. That rhetoric has been present for every expansion and this is no different.
Ultimately I think most cosmetic add-ons, including elvui, will still have a footprint. It seems to me they initially thought doing a slow rollout was the way to go, and communicated that to the player base. At some point they decided it was better to go nuclear and break everything and work backwards to loosen restrictions as time goes on vs tightening restrictions as time goes on, and didn’t communicate the new philosophy until after they broke everything. Huge, huge mistake to not communicate that.
But now (hopefully) we are at the beginning of loosening restrictions to allow the cosmetic add-ons to do their thing.
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WoD?
Yes, the pruning in wod was needed
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No, they are not.
Companies are increasingly pushing for AI. Right now it is becoming a problem in the writing/art, ect sphere where I am right now. Increasingly for jobs people used to have in customer service too. A lot of money is being pumped into this as people don’t really understand what it is.
That the bubble will eventually burst is a totally unrelated issue, as eventually it’s going to turn out the current version is really not a great replacement for people.
These ideas are not contradictory at all lol.
By all means, if you support the removal of addons, it’s a position I dont’ agree with (given how much we bicker about it in other threads lol <3) but get. It’s this constant defence of blizzard, a company with a disgusting track record across the board, that I really struggle to understand.
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Do I need to say the name of the xpac again?
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But hey don’t worry guys, Ion promised that most of the addons you use today would still work the same in Midnight!
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The wod pruning was needed, there was no more room for abilities, nothing cool to level up for, they had to take it down some to give it room to grow, just like this
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There is such thing as going too far and doing too much.
And in this case, doing way too much too fast.
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The only option here is to do it all at once, rip the band aid off
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Yeah, but that’s not because AI actually is “taking over” or can do the things being promised. It’s all just a money making scam and has actually nothing to do with AI being able to replace people. They just want you to believe that they can replace you and the writing/art you do with AI, they can’t.
If AI could actually “take over” and replace people, there would be no bubble to burst, it would just actually be delivering on those things and making these companies a profit, it isn’t. That’s why the bubble is going to burst, because all of these companies have invested boatloads of money in a complete sham and our entire economy is being propped up on a lie.
Because I understand how difficult it is to run a live service game on a grand scale like WoW, and it’s not an easy endeavour.
As much as I hate Call of Duty as a game, it has long been one of the titans of innovation in terms of game design, and WoW is also one of those games.
Once? We’ve already had a pruning.
We’ve already had several squishes. And the last pruning lead to the biggest xpac failure in wow history. This combined with their nuclear rug pull route of addons.
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No they very much in fact could have spent time refining their built-in UI and done it iteratively so they had time to do it properly.
How them boots taste? Lmfao like you’re on some insane levels of white knighting.
Just like what? For them to spend the next 10 years post-WOD readding tons of abilities only for them to need to reprune again a decade later?
I’d make a joke here about it being yet more proof that Blizzard cannot make long-term changes to how they design content but something tells me you’d find some defense for it
In the corporate sense, when I say ‘taking over’ I mean ‘reactionary firing of people because shareholders need the line to go up, and AI looks like a fun new toy’ not ‘taking over’ as in it’s actually being useful. Hopefully that makes more sense.
I’m not following this bit tbh. Again, if you don’t want addons, I get it. Disagree, but understand. However from what we’ve seen, this whole change is being done in a very messy way.
- We were told combat addons were being reduced and inhouse alternatives being worked on. That these would be in place before the purge.
- Addons are now being pretty much gutted. A lot of the API changes are impacting things like ELVUI, which was not what was promised.
- To me, this looks like a corporate-driven change. Not a ‘the devs want this’ but something Microsoft has pushed because -
- -a recent interview stated that Ion and the dev team was surprised by the sudden need to cut out addons. So not a decision they made, most likely.
- Along with this, a lot of the class changes are directly down to removing addons. It’s not proven but in another thread someone was saying rogue’s dev is working on housing (claimed to be friends with her, so, not sure how accurate) which kind of explains why outlaw, one of the class that needs a WA to play well, isn’t really being touched yet whilst others are getting murdered.
- Addon devs are saying a lot of the API changes are a mess and they’re being expected to help Blizz along with the process - personally I think this is incredibly scummy and relying on good will of passion projects for a large company is gross.
- Historically, we’ve seen promises are not met. Things like reducing casters in packs (priory, halls) and so I’m not convinced m+ is going to change much when it will need a big redesign. Same for raids.
Like, again, by all means I respect your stance on addon removal. This isn’t even ‘Serena hates the devs and thinks it’s them’, but this whole thing stinks of corporate pressure in a way I do not like.
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They can’t “just let it build up” they need feed back in what their ui needs and they won’t get that when no one is using them because “I’ve used this for years, why would I stop”
And in the second, much like the squishes, it’s not meant to be long term, eventually it’ll need to be done again
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Right, that’s why i get AI customer service with USAA, Bank of America, Verizon, Walmart, and Amazon among other companies. And why several fast-food restaurants are using AI in kiosks and at the drive through. And corporations like Nvidia, and XAi are spending billions on developing AI tools for multiple industries and applications globally. And all those game developers, and entertainment industry companies who get caught using AI are just flukes. It’s all just a huge scam. Nothing to worry about at all.
Wod being bad had little to do with the pruning, it was lack of content and a long as hell drought
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