No, you get better opinions.
Well, no, I won’t get over it - because I consider your entire approach to be narcissistic. It’s not the sort of approach you should be using to approach a game and a franchise that exists for sets of stakeholders that go beyond just you.
Some of the greatest damage that this franchise has gone through has been rendered at the hands of people who put their personal biases above everything else. Such a person I feel has no place in a conversation about future development.
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I actually have not said this, in fact:
Which is the point of:
Both good and bad.
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Baals post reminded me of a certain point I made.
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You don’t even know what my positions are or how they’ve evolved over time anymore because you don’t actually care. And it’s especially rich coming from someone who is infamous for their quixotic obsession with Night Elves.
Why is what you said so important? What gives you the right to determine what’s culturally insensitive and what isn’t?
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Non sequitur, you are claiming I said something or hold a position I didn’t say nor hold.
But hey, if you disagree that the Humans of Stormwind deserve to be written with more respect and nuance, invoking both the good and bad of the cultural body they borrow from (ie using both Arthurian fantasy + Colonial Imperialist aggression) then by all means.
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I would argue that the issue here is that Blizzard just didn’t build up the culture at all, only threw in some cultural hallmarks and let the players fill in the blanks.
It is not really an issue that they aren’t fully accurate representations of the cultures that influence them. If Blizz put in the effort, they could start with those initial inspirations and build it out until it is something totally unlike the source material, and I think that sort of thing should be encouraged, not shunned.
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I’m of the mindset that it would just be nice if Blizzard treated their world with respect and care, and that would just happen to include the races based on cultures grounded in real life.
I think it would be healthier for the game if the writers of the game properly fleshed out their world building at the basics, rather than use their efforts on dumping on Azeroth’s buildup to prop up a crappy cosmic scale setting.
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I didn’t mention you at all in what you were responding to.
And you know what would improve that?
WRITING IN-GAME RACES BASED ON REAL LIFE CULTURES WITH DIGNITY AND NUANCE, BORROWING BOTH THE GOOD/COOL/FUN HISTORIES/FANTASIES AND THE BAD/DARK HISTORIES/FANTASIES
Which we know they’re capable of because that’s exactly what they did with Zandalar and Kul Tiras
Even if they dropped the ball horrendously in the second half of the expansion.
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nah Zandalari was just “Black panther xD XD XD MEMES XD” kul tiras was just “OH MEMBER WITCHER 3 OH MEMBER OLD GODS MEMBER PIRATES OF THE CARIBHUIKHLGFK HUIOOL BLAARGH”
Proving my point once more.
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The designed this world with the precise intent of making players dislike each other because they all have competing agendas by default.
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Lol, Kul Tiras felt like a big cultural melting pot, only the cultures mixes like water and oil. Three regions with three distinct cultures, only two of which somewhat related. Drustvar was basically Gilneas 2.0.
Zandalar was better on that front, but I don’t think we got anything of any real substance. Just the typical troll stuff. Whoopy, some new Loa, several of which die during questing. Wake me up when I should care.
You conveniently overlooked the core of my point though, so Ill just repost it.
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Like, Kyalin got mad at me earlier because one time a while ago I said I don’t really care what happens to the Night Elves because my interests lie elsewhere, which initiated what is apparently a blood vendetta even though we’re both fans of the same faction.
There’s a basic rule in roleplay in pretty much any game.
“In Character is not Out of Character”
I think Blizzard has failed with the design of making people hate one another because they constantly force the factions to work together. Without a proper war narrative to make the PvP aspect feel meaningful.
This is also why I think the faction rivalry has effectively died, because factions, especially the Horde, have lost meaning in their reason to exist.
TLDR: I love the Horde and the Alliance, Blizzard needs to get their Faction Pride together and stop crapping on my orc bros.
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Tell that to everyone around you.
Factions are stupid tho. The individual races should be much more important.
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They aren’t going to and have never done that (except with the Draenei, to a meaningful extent).
All in-game WoW races are just 2-5 specific ethnic groups in a specific historical moment smashed together.
And at the moment none of the races are using that basis to write their lore with dignity.
Not even the Night Elves whose entire schtick was Amazonian Wiccans, except y’all’s “Amazonian” competence was nerfed and your Mother Goddess sucks.
No respect, no dignity.
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That wouldn’t solve the fundamental issue of everyone being assigned competing interests that can never be resolved.