I am not. I am against the Horde council seeling out our inerests to Stormwind like Baine and Thrall are constantly doing.
But she was not the top advisor. That prestige falls to Advisor Vandros and Advisor Melandrus.
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Shandris Feathermoon: Here to admire the Highborne’s handiwork, Thalyssra? To look upon all that your hubris has wrought?
First Arcanist Thalyssra: Suramar rebelled against Azshara. Were it not for our courage, the Legion’s forces would have overwhelmed Azeroth.
Shandris Feathermoon: Yet instead of fighting alongside the rest of us, you walled yourselves off as Kalimdor burned around you.
Image of Queen Azshara: It breaks a queen’s heart to watch her subjects squabble. Such a futile argument. In the end, you will all be mine again–one way or another.
Shandris Feathermoon: Azshara. Rest assured that we stand united in our contempt for you.
Image of Queen Azshara: You see? We have found common ground already. Dear children, it is only a matter of time until you kneel before my throne. As a willing subject… or a broken corpse.
First Arcanist Thalyssra: Shandris. We sealed off Suramar to keep the Pillars of Creation free from Azshara’s grasp. The power she holds with just the Tidestone…
Shandris Feathermoon: I know. So long as it remains in her clutches, we have little hope of victory.
Still no allusion to Thalyssra’s social status as to why she could never be Grand Magistrix. It might be easier to provide me with the dialogue you believe transpired.
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Yeah no, i’m good thanks.
As I thought. Take this with you on the way out.
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I told you all.
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Debate the lore all you want. How I feel is not up for debate.
You made unsubstantiated claims you said were supported by in-game lore and I proved you wrong. That is what was being debated.
You know, there is a roleplaying section if you want to live in your own headcanon, divorced from reality. 
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See that’s why I refuse to enfage with you. You are not approaching this disagreement in good faith.
I’ve seen how you dismiss others and with that attitude. It’s not okay. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions about characters, ships etc.
Ship them all you want, not everyone thinks it’s a great development.
There was a time when Lorethemar and Liadrin were canon. The lore changes all the time on the selfish whims of writers.
They are not uncirumstantiated claims. If she’s an arcanist she’s not of noble birth. That’s how things work in Highelven society. She’s a middle class professional. Not an upper class Magistrix.
Do you have a source for your claim that having the title of “Arcanist” denotes a low birth?
The title denotes a hierarchy, which, Thalyssra was certainly subordinate to Elisande, who was the ruler of Suramar from before the War of the Ancients until the conclusion of the Nightfallen rebellion.
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Yes I do, if you look up magister on Wowpedia it will give you the distinction between Arcanist and Magister titles in blood elven lore (which should be the same for the Old Kaldorei empire since the Highelves were the high elven mages who left)
I have a link but I cannot post links.
I wouldn’t make that assumption. High Elves seem to have changed their society somewhat since then, including their language.
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Not really no, the Nightborne and the Blood Elves are very similar, being stuck in the old ways, one due to lack of exposure to the outside world for centuries and one was trying to keep the old ways alive in the face of Kaldorei resistance and extinction.
I also think Thalyssra should’ve taken the grand magistrix title, but the lore isn’t clear as to whether it’s accorded by magical merit or political power. I always figured the latter.
Quel’Thalas was nearly as awful an ally as Alterac during the Second War, last in and first out, and has been part of the Horde for at least six years longer than it was in the Alliance as of DF. To say nothing of its 7,000 years of prior independence. That slavering void monsters in the great dark beyond want Alleria to conquer it (read: corrupt the Sunwell) isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement.
Wowpedia makes an unsourced inference as to this distinction. We have no idea what it actually is, or whether it denotes high or low birth.
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Your assumption is that the societal conventions of the Nightborne and High Elves (Blood Elves) are congruent, and that may not be the case. Consider that the ruling class of Suramar are the magisters, arcanists, etc., but they are only a minor part of Silvermoon’s society and are not rulers.
An arcanist is subordinate to a magistrix, but there is nothing to suggest the title in itself is not an indication of a low birth or social standing. Elisande inherited her position as ruler of Suramar and kept it for over 10,000 years as an immortal being.
They have distinct differences.
High Elves turned to the sun, Nightborne kept to the moon. High Elves have Light worship such as their Light priests and paladins, Nightborne priests seem apparently of Elune.
High Elves had a monarchy, Nightborne kept their Grand Magistrix.
They have ultimately different organizations with different structures.
High Elves speak Thalassian Nightborne speak Shalassian.
These are enough that we cannot just assume these words mean the same thing.
This is all I saw.
Magisters and arcanists
The divide between a magister and an arcanist is unclear in blood elven society. It might be that an arcanist is simply another rank of magister, such as Arcanist Torseldori and his bloodmages in Hellfire Peninsula.
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I’m sorry, what?
Apparent where?
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Moon iconography.
History of Night Elves (before they were Nightborne) following Elune.
Them having no real known association with The Light for their entire history.
Considering they never reference Elune (in a manner of reverence) once, and the only temple to her was outside their bubble, I find that not so apparent.
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Hey, to each their own. But the Nightborne certainly don’t revere the sun.
The Nightborne are atheists if anything. The only power they covet is magic, in all it’s forms.