What you said was.
yes, and you are arguing with 2 people who have explicitly said there needs to be compensation.
You are arguing with the accessibility issue in a vacuum as if we both didnt say the nerf is unwarranted dps wise.
Unfortunately there is no compensation, and no indication they’re considering any. So my concern is that they have destroyed the spec and that’s it.
There needs to a compensation for the dmg lost here. 10% to EQ or something. This is a huge nerf coming out of left field.
We have both literally said we agree with it, we replied to your comment about accessibility and you keep pivoting back to the dps thing.
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Wow if ele wasn’t dog water already you just guttered our only hope to compete with other classes.
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They’re covering up an accessibility change by straight nerfing the class. I don’t understand why they need to change the talent because it’s “uncomfy” when it’s been the exact same for two expansions now. Only when we get a fun tier set that makes storm elemental very engaging to play do they half the stacks we can obtain from using the talent. Ele already struggles competing with other classes and now the changes will only make it worse. Damage needs to be compensated elsewhere. Please don’t let ele down another tier.
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we have dead talents that are not used at all or do litterally no damage, i would have like to see some interactions for these spells instead of saying, ok we nerf x because its boring but instead we will buff y to bring more to the table
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yep… feedback like yours have been ignored for YEARS, since 9.0 PTR.
I srsly do not recall ANYONE saying storm ele stack was an issure.
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Please at least compensate us in some way for this. I love the storm ele play style. spamming lightning bolt and instant lava bursts was THE MOST FUN i’ve had all expansion. I felt so fast and cool. And now its gonna be useless. This isn’t right.
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“Players have reported that this is uncomfortable to play”
by “players” do you mean like one guy? trying to play on a xbox controller or something?
and WHERE did he report it to? Cause i’d like to speak with the manager.
Hopefully this thread blowing up will tell blizzard ITS TIME TO BUFF ELE NOT NERF IT
I dont really pve but this change is a slap in the face to the ele spec. Why does blizzard hate ele? Will there be any compensating buffs to a struggling/underperforming spec? Also when you guys get around to pvp tuning in 4 months (if at all) please throw ele some survivability buffs 
So you gut a good talent with no compensation, nerfing our maelstrom gen in aoe and sim single target for a QOL change. A QOL change for a build where you were casting lava burst and earthshock more than lightning bolt and that while had high apm was still lower apm than many other classes already in the game. You just created a even more significant accessibility concern by making a already looked down upon spec even less desirable in most content. Who wants to play a spec that nobody invites? You don’t even get to play the game.
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So if this is an accessibility issue we should expect compensation buffs, correct? Maybe something like buffing lightning bolt and chain lightning damage while storm ele is active?
Really sucks this change came after the week started and many guilds have already raided when everyone knew this was a build for weeks. I decided to swap to shaman BECAUSE the storm ele build is such a departure from the normal playstyle. As it stands now the 4 piece went from supporting a new build and way to play and is now instead another passive damage increase that can’t be felt anywhere but on the meters.
Having gotten some heroic gear from my guild I feel like I’m stuck in the short term.
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I really think this is a poorly thought out change. As a general question - If we are seeing accessibility changes then other classes are going to have similar changes as well correct???
Rhetorical comment aside, the Elemental 4 set was bugged for a while on the PTR. There was a lot of feedback and had the bugs been fixed early on, we probably would have seen the build sooner and it would never have even made it to live. It just seems like this could have been prevented versus pulling this out of nowhere after the tier started.
This is a ST damage reduction, given the tier set design, and an AoE nerf. This is a real gut punch as I was having fun and looking forward to PLAYING the game with that build.
I’m really concerned about the community perception (ie Elemental is garbage don’t invite them) thanks to this change. What buffs are we getting in exchange? LB and CL damage increase? A base line aura increase? If no damage buff, then I would recommend you reach out to the Elemental community and have a really, really open conversation.
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are you ******* me? ele is actually a high end dps for 1 tier in ages and you nerf the hell out of them before people get the set? did the same in brf where ele was 3rd best dps and you decided to nerf it to the ground. might as well just delete the spec if it’s not allowed to be anything more than middle of the pack at best. Also great time to do this right after most people have done their raids for the week and now they’d potentially be forced to reroll into something more viable and be behind a week.
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Honestly disgusting with how the PTR went and then to see this.
I don’t even like Storm Ele and then it gets nerfed suddenly cause of borrowed power. I know Kaivax is just the messenger but this is so beyond disgusting that now Storm ele is worse baseline now.
Ele Conduits suck? 
Ele set bonus has negative synergy?
Ele nerfed anyway?
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lately, blizzard reacts to feedback, lets hope that they react to our feedback and do something
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ele as is currently is ok in keys but nothing over the top like pre nerf frost mage or ww, with this going live its completely dead.
Elemental already struggled with single target even with a full 20 stack ramp in high mythic keys, often the lowest boss damage WITH a 20 stack ramp. Aoe damage good but with this change also heavily gutted, less chains going out, less maelstrom, less spenders (earthquake). WITHOUT change it still wasn’t a frost mage. Also warrior highest sustained aoe, but thats somehow completely fine.
Nerfing a spec that was “just ok” to the cemetery and what for? Because of single target in raid? and because pressing 1 over and over is uncomfortable? Yet boomie has a similar ramp in that regard, and fury is also spammy.
Complete oversight, if this goes live ele is dead in keys.
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- Storm Elemental’s Wind Gust effect gained from casting Lightning Bolt or Chain Lightning now has a maximum stack of 10 (was 20). Additionally, if you cast Storm Elemental again while having a Storm Elemental active, the Wind Gust buff will be reset.
Generally, I’m very happy with the spirit of the changes here. I have never found Storm Elemental gameplay to be particularly fun or engaging, and the current implementation had marginalized non-Storm Elemental builds entirely in PVE content due to Storm Elemental gaining significantly more value from increased uptime than Fire Elemental.
I think this sort of change is good for the game in the abstract. However, we don’t operate in a vacuum.
These changes have resulted in a substantial nerf to Elemental Shaman damage halfway through Heroic week on the launch of a new raid tier (~12% overall, ~14% for Storm Elemental-based builds specifically), and no associated compensation buffs have yet been announced. This is going to have an outsized impact on players’ ability to participate in raiding content, particularly in Mythic raiding guilds.
The lack of a compensation buff announced alongside this change is very concerning.
Others have made points with regards to feedback on the PTR feeling like it was ignored until the last minute, so I won’t reiterate those beyond saying: we’re all feeling incredibly frustrated with the timing of these substantial numerical changes, even if the intent of the changes is good.
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Blizzard,
Change for accessibility is good but, there is no planned compensation relayed to us thus far. I understand this was posted late Friday so maybe you guys will post some compensation package on Monday. However, elemental is near bottom of the pack overall for the raid. This will get amplified on mythic, with more mechanics and movement.
Also, the machine gun build looked mad fun yo, pls don’t take it away from us. End of BFA saw some degenerate gameplay, let us have some fun with the last patch of the expansion. Pls and thank you blizzard.
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