@Alexizonfire GA in the last row mmm to compete with the other two. it always crits and rime procs on it after Rime is used by HB. also somebody here linked a pic of what GA should look like big jagged ice spikes erupting out of the ground
oh yeah here is is
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-death-knight-class-changes/490709/2074?u=krissignacia-eldrethalas
Yeah i could see that, would definitely make GA better and oblit feel good again, and agreed that GA looks badass AF.
Kinda has a Todoroki vibe to it, i dig it.
Fire Mage has a base crit chance of 20% without a single stat rating of crit due to Hot Streak and how it works. I dont know the amount of rating they need for 1% of crit however since I havent gotten my mage to 60.
Frost on the other hand has 5% base crit with 0 rating and has most of the main rune spenders damage locked behind a proc that is triggered by auto attack crits.
Its the same concept, the more crit you have for Fire, the more instant pyros you can get out along with being able to force procs and yada yada. Frost just needs to get auto crits and a lot of them with how the proc chances are. It looks just like a late expansion spec just from that design alone. We might need the same 20% base chance that Fire has so so that when we do get that 20% from stats we are at 40% crit and can get to 45% crit without a penalty. 20% crit from stats should be relatively easy to get to since normal dungeons can provide you with 17% crit.
Its kind of a mess right now and just buffing damage isnt going to magically fix the spec. A buff now could mean a nerf later. I know some people think “fine just do that then” but if you fix it then when later comes around, you might not have to do anything at all.
I dont know who you guys is, but I advocated for a cosmetic option over anything specifically so this didn’t happen. Blizzard couldn’t or wouldn’t balance it the last time it was in the game so I have no reason to think it would be different this time.
But being happy 2h is bad just so you can say you were right is nothing more than cutting off your nose to spite your face. Its pathetic.
I would say it’s a fairly safe bet 2h frost will get swept under the rug once Shadowlands is over and done with. In its entire history, it’s only ever been good when there were simply no weapons available that favored DW. It’ll either get removed, which is semi-likely, or be totally ignored going forward in a manner that makes it increasingly unplayable, which is more likely.
No, it goes to show that the people saying “you dont know what your talking about because you dont raid” completely and utterly wrong. Thats the point, that just because you dont “do x content because thats the only person I will listen too” is a terrible mindset and doesnt actually teach you how the spec works, doing raids, teaches you boss mechanics and when you use what during that boss mechanic. How about the raiders that didnt know that Glacial Advance cd is lowered by haste. You dont need to do raiding to know that haste lowers its cd, you just have to read the tooltip.
So no, its entirely justified that im glad. After about a year of people constantly character attacking and no matter if I did mythic raids they would have found something else like “you arent rank 1 dps” because they wanted to carry on the narrative and you jumped on, parroting their “you dont want 2h” narrative.
Entirely justified.
They could also do what they did to demo locks “we dont want you playing this spec because x, y and z reasons” nerfed into the dirt, go play unholy. If its this much of a problem a not even a month into shadowlands then leave it to die.
You don’t, though. You’re pretty blatant about that.
Judging by that 20% nerf getting rolled out, I’m not even sure if Unholy is safe at this point. The 15% was reasonable, but that extra 5%… ouch. That brief derail aside, I’m inclined to agree. That approach would fit with Blizzard’s m.o. with regards to specs they don’t particularly like/want to deal with.
7-8% nerf. The 20% nerf to unholy mastery scaling results in a 7-8% nerf to unholy damage. Whether the extra smidge is necessary or not, unholy was so far ahead of everyone else that it can well-afford to take the hit. It will remain one of the top performers.
Yes, I’m well aware of the math. But no, it could not afford the extra 5% mastery hit. Melee classes need to perform extremely well in order to be welcome in high key M+. If they aren’t, then you’re much better off stacking ranged, as is and has nearly always been the meta. Do I think Unholy will bel denied access to groups over this? Probably not until you get to 15 keys.
Man, as I think about it more current frost is pretty much Mists of Pandaria’s fury warrior spec early in the expansion. Needing crit, but nothing having enough provided through gear to play properly, but only being saved by a legendary 
At least then fury had an on use button to proc its main damage ability if you didn’t get a crit.
I can tell my spec is trash when I have to try 100x harder than everyone else to get lesser results.
In PVE my damage is just bad and in PVP I have to press like 10 GCDs for my survivability when Hunters can just 2 shot you and press Turtle Shell.
You would just have to be completely naive, dead, dumb and blind to not realize you’ve been shafted. Not only that, FDK got jebaited badly. We were sold a pipedream and then completely nerfed into the ground on Beta and now Pelagos just got a nerf.
Another xpac start as being dumpster tier, nice.
i remember the days when frost pres hade a cc reduction thing that made us harder to be cc’d some what
if if i could switch to blood pres to survive a hit it was alot better than it is now
we need our armor back
I remember when FDK had Hungering Cold, so you weren’t just a walking target dummy. Now everything good is literally placed into a Legendary effect or ripped from baseline and turned into fork in the road choice that ends up leaving you disadvantaged.
The devs do not play DKs in PVP, it’s so eye stabbingly obvious.
Acting like a petulant child is never justified.
People attack your character and your armory because even though a broken clock is right twice a day, you’re extremely abrasive and haven’t even earned any sort of respect. You can be a douche but if you actually did content, one could reasonably assume you have some idea of what you’re talking about and give some weight to your words even if they disagree with them. But if someone actually looks on your armory for some form of credentials, you have none and theres no use attacking a hyperbole argument.
Virtually every experienced player isn’t going to sit here and take **** from some LFR Hero.
Work on expressing your opinion without trying to assert that its somehow the “correct” opinion and maybe people will give you more of a chance. All I see from you on the topic of Frost can more or less be boiled down to “PLAY DW OR GO HOME. NO THE SPEC IS FINE FOR DW. 2H DOESNT DESERVE TO EXIST. I WAS RIGHT.” which just shuts down all conversation.
Or do content and show proof that you know what you’re doing. Because you simply can’t get any sort of idea for how the spec is performing in high level content without actually doing said content.
Until then, good luck to you.
Yeah, I dont want it back if it isnt implemented correctly. There is a difference between that and just saying it shouldnt return at all, and it shouldnt have returned if the issues werent fixed and they werent.
Then they shouldnt have started with the character attacks because I was blunt and didnt agree with them and then people piled. I also dont really care what people think about be so im going to say it like it is.
And I think we have already established that this “LFR hero” and “im a mythic raider and you havent done this” means absolutely NOTHING when it comes to understanding the spec. Im not talking about how to do Sludgefist am I? No im talking about the spec which you can test on target dummies… right?
And its not the correct opinion, its facts. A racecar driver doesnt necessarily know anything about the car he is driving.
I don’t know about numbers and warcraft logs and arena ratings and all that - I’ll leave that to you guys. I agree with your assessment that Frost isn’t as well conceived as Unholy. I feel like Unholy’s talent tree choices are much more impactful and offer a wider variety of options and playstyle differences than Frost. Frost is mostly just a bunch of passive effects.
Unholy, to me, has too many abilities while frost has too few.
That being said, fewer abilities isn’t necessarily a bad thing, as long as the spec itself has a strong feel to it and a distinct playstyle. Back in the day, obliterate was a fun button to press because it hit hard. In this expac, I’d rather press it fewer times and have it hit harder than spam the crap out of it and have it hit sort of hard during our cooldown.
Oh well. Whatever.
I have no idea who you are. I’ve not used these forums until this Xpac because frost is so disappointing I’m trying to look for answers as to why. I played ice cap in BFA and had good parses for my ilvl (averaged around 75%) Sure you know a lot about the game and that is obvious. The problem is you play off like you play frost and get the problems of DK players when you clearly don’t. Since my time being on this forum you have been here to tell everyone they were wrong when they sounded the alarm that frost is a mess. You keep saying the same things over and over, and now when overwhelming evidence and the community and completely labeled you as a troll you find start slowly back pedaling your views. If you from the very start would have listened to actual dk players instead of telling us we didn’t know what we were talking about maybe people wouldn’t push so hard against you. Since you won’t admit you don’t play frost outside of a casual alt we have no idea what you do. I’m guessing you play dps on a high level for a different class.
I for one do not know the details of the game like a lot of people when it comes to how buffing or changing specific abilities will impact others. I do get the following.
-Frost single target damage is at least 15% behind dps for me compared to UH. This is using sims. I also have my loot set to frost so I’m using gear blizzard has associated with frost.
-Frost when compared to most specs max dps is significantly lower showing that the ceiling is very low.
-Aoe damage is one of the worst I’ve seen in the game while doing mythics, making it hard to find mythics.
-Drops I need to make my spec good are not droping. I have 2100 ash and still haven’t created a legendary. I have numerous legendaries for other specs. I run Necrotic Wake about 50 times and still do not have a drop. I’ve seen the mount drop off the final boss in that time. I keep holding onto hope frost will get fixed which is why I’m not crafting UH legendaries.
-Frost is absolute garbage in Torgahst for me. I don’t know if this is because I am a mix of frost and Kyrian, but most of my animas are terrible. SoU charms a target for 7s, SoU fears surrounding enemies, your owl companion speeds up your group, your owl companion heals your group, and even the one good Anima I occasionally get Death Gate summons a horsemen is on a ten minute cool down that doesn’t reset when you get to the final boss (army of the dead does). I’ve wasted so much time getting to the final boss easily only to get trucked over and over. I’ve switched to UH and Blood and its overwhelmingly easier.
-Frost is a joke in arenas. I have been trying to PvP more to get honor for weapons. I get deleted almost instantly and can’t do much to stop it.
-2H is a joke. I have a 2H 13 ilvl higher than my 1H and it deals less damage.
I was so pumped for this xpac because shadowlands should be the home for DKs, UH is excellent but frost is really bad. I was going to hold the rope and just raid frost and my group really discouraged me to do this because the dps hit would be significant. They were right. I hope something gets addressed asap.