Dumb Thoughts : Undermine, technology and the wider world

So rampaging through Undermine on a few alts, trying to decide if I should stop maining Shaman and try other classes to avoid burnout in WoW and I noticed a few things:


1) GobTube.

Goblins in Undermine apparently have the internet and streaming services. The Internet is canon on Azeroth now. How long until this becomes a craze? And how long until the Gnomes make a better version because rivalry is fun and silly little races slap-fighting over who can make the better toaster is funny, what do you mean, they have nukes and mechs and plasma-based artillery? What do you mean, they’re only playing along because its profitable and/or they have no interest in world domination?

But a couple of the quests we do, or world quests if you prefer, has Trade Princes and NPCs mentioning GobTube, there’s impersonators, there’s screens in a few of the buildings in the richer parts of Undermine, and again, this is only ‘Downtown’ Undermine, there’s apparently at least another level ‘above’ the sector we’re in, but the food is worse up there.

The Alliance and the Horde are still running around with criers and war-callers, the Goblin Cartels likely have streamers and other, ah, ‘online entertainers’ at this point, at least in Undermine itself. Imagine the luxury of being able to just order takeout rather than having to go out and get it yourself, and it costs pennies on-top of what the food would actually cost to get it delivered directly to you. A live feed of what traffic is like before you head to work so you can plan alternate routes. Radio stations that play various types of music so you can vibe out where-ever you are.

We’ve had radio as a thing in WoW since Vanilla, but it was specifically a Gnomish invention that was never really implemented wide-scale for some reason. But if we are heading towards a technological revolution thanks to the Earthen and the CEASE-FIRE (we do not have a truce or a peace-treaty) between the Alliance and Horde would push the technological envelope between the Mega-Factions, as messengers can be intercepted and take a long time to get from A to B, magical messages can be scrambled or re-directed, so broadcasting towers or cable systems would be a game-changer, at least at first before the inevitable cat-and-mouse between invasive and protective systems started to kick off.

Imagine PA systems in capitals warning people of curfews, enemy attacks, generic civic announcements? Imagine an out-door cinema or open-air theatre playing recordings of plays or scenes from the adventurers in actions? National Geographic-like shows of the footage we’re taking from the Dragon Isles and Dornogal? If it could even be live-streamed as GobTubers in Undermine seem to suggest during combat or idle commentary, that’s a whole other scene to consider.


2) Same-Day Delivery

The Rocket-Mole Trains can take us all the way from Undermine to Zuldazar in a day. Admittedly, this is Game Mechanics :tm: at work, but the concept still stands to a point. Goblin Rocket-Mole Trains can transport a huge amount of resources, workers or supplies, they’re absurdly fast, they can both clear rubble and roadblocks on their own rails, and presumably, a similar model with tracks or legs bored out the original passageway to Zuldazar.

Direct transportation to a location, next to no threat of banditry or monster attack, and can travel almost in a straight line, bypassing issues like mountains, bodies of water, pre-existing structures and combat zones. We’ve seen this before with Dark Iron Mole Machines, but those were incredibly small and only were capable of comfortably, and I’m using the word loosely four or five Dwarves at a time.

And we’re talking BULK transport, at speed, and we can assume that so long as a certain distance is kept between them, a ‘convoy’ of these Rocket-Mole Trains could not be sent down the line, and funneled into a ring-shaped array so that they all move in, nose to boosters, load up, and then fire back up the tube one at a time to form a return convoy.

We’ve had the Deeprun Tram for a long time. We saw the Iron Horde’s train system in Warlords of Draenor that served both as transportation for troops and supplies and a mobile artillery platform. Imagine that linking every capital within a Megafaction together, where feasible, underground and overland train routes funneling workers, soldiers, goods and supplies through a network that speeds up the transferal from a matter of months to days, or weeks at worst.


  1. Fast Food Franchise Fight

We see a lot of cola, both Kaja-Cola and other, less brain-altering skin-greening types, noodle boxes, burgers, kebab skewers, hotdogs and corndogs in the part of Undermine we can access. Now, a lot of this is ‘repurposed’ food, a lot of bulk, salt, sugars and fats to make the absolute G A R B A G E ingredients actually palatable, but still, it does make me wonder if we’re going to see franchises step out of Undermine into the wider world?

We’ve joked about Goblin street-food vendors competing with Pandaren food-carts, but what if that becomes a thing? Junk food isn’t just relatively cheap and so much easier to acquire than properly cooked food, but it is also addictive, because the large amounts of salts, fats and sugars lights up parts of our brains that generate or control responses to decision-making, impulses and reward-vs-risk mechanisms.

Something something this Sprite would kill a 16th century peasant something something.

It is also risky as the kind of fats and cooking oils used in the production of fast food are the dangerous kind, the kind that stays in the body, and is not easily digestible or to pass out of the body. But because fast food is so readily available, often much cheaper than healthier options, causes the brain to light up in a big way which can cause addiction to the point people have been known to keep eating despite knowing they are full because the sensation they get from eating these foods gives them pleasure, to the point of burst stomachs and becoming so obese they cannot move under their own power.

They know what’s causing it, they know it will kill them, they know they don’t need it, but the addiction and the resulting endorphin release is so strong that they will do it anyways.

What happens when Goblin fast food manages to hit the wider market? Horde first probably, given the Cease-Fire and the nature of Goblin/Gnome relations, but eventually it would hit the Alliance’s streets, again, probably in a Gnomish twist because the rivalry between Goblins and Gnomes will still be in full tilt at the heat death of the Warcraft universe. And considering how long, and how easy, fast food components are to keep refrigerated and how easy it would be to assemble meals for soldiers and labourers using pre-cooked, pre-prepared ingredients, and in labour-intensive environments, a load of salt, sugar and fat is actually a benefit because the body will metabolize it all, while sedentary or physically inactive jobs will instead turn these packets of hyper-condensed salts, sugars and fats into body-fat very quickly.

Alternatively, if a canny entrepreneur was to take Goblin food ‘repurposing’ technology and apply it to actual food, not just the garbage or reprocessed material the Goblins in the Undermine are forced to use, this could be a culinary revolution. Refrigerators were a thing back in Gnomeragon and both Undermine and Kezan, and it wouldn’t be too hard to ‘retrofit’ existing cold-houses with the technology.

A sealed environment, insulating panels, air circulation device and the actual refrigerant gas to be forced through an appropriately-sized compressor, condenser and evaporator system. Hell, most of Azeroth already uses cool rooms, which are underground to help keep the room cold, so half the problem is already dealt with, now it would just be a case of rendering the cool room safe for sub-zero temperatures and the resulting build up of ice from ambient moisture.

We already have magic that is used, presumably, to preserve food for longer periods of time, if we could apply that to the machinery, taking the place of toxic refrigerant gasses, that suddenly makes the whole system so much more cheaper and easier to implement on a faction-sized scale. Crops can be kept longer, and fresher, without risk of infection, mold or pests, meat harvested from livestock doesn’t need to be smoked, salted or preserved in brine for lean times during the year, eggs and delicate food sources like fish and poultry can be kept for multiple weeks, not merely days, the list goes on.

And lets talk about the cola. Sealed, cold, fizzy drinks. A bust of energy and flavour no less addictive than the most greasy, fat-dripping, sugar-infused-into-the-bun, cheese-loaded B O R G O R you could buy from the array of Goblin food-carts in Undermine. Add in stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, guarana and similar, and you have a product that is going to fly off the shelves as fast as you can produce it. Peons slamming down cans of Monster and then just tearing through their tasks, then being too stimulated to stop.

I want you to remember Senior Peon II from Draenor and imagine that thing fueled by nothing but Kaja’mite-infused Monster and junk food, and he is vibrating so fast he’s creating after-images at this point.

What happens if we added the kind of potions Player Characters have access to into the mix? Caffeinated healing potions, carbonated mana-potions, guarana-infused thistle tea? Like we’re not already crazed enough?


What are your thoughts?

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Much in the same way I vehemently and violently reject any notion Ogrim Doomhammer killed Anduin Lothar in honorable combat (He had him assassinated on way to a peace parlay. Doomhammer was scum, he always will be scum, and no matter how much Blizzard insists otherwise I PLAYED THAT MISSION WHEN I WAS 13! YOU CANNOT GASLIGHT ME HERE!), I vehemently and violently reject any notion to an existing Internet analogue infrastructure - especially a culture of content creation.

There are lines that should not be crossed even in a fantasy game as old as this one.

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Live-streaming the squad beating the brakes off of a Dungeon Boss, only to get called in to Alliance High Command to be censured for vulgar behavior because twenty thousand Stormwindians got a front-row seat to your ‘colourful language’ and ‘inappropriate use of an inflatable Thunderfury toy and a corpse’.

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…we were wrong. Kael’thas had it right. We should have harvested the bloody planet for Energon.

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Would the Gnome version of GobTube be GnoHub or TekTok?

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This is the downside of the rule of cool. Sometimes you get concepts that break lore, like orbital strikes, holographic displays, goblin YouTube, and even space ships.

Is it possible that goblins have the internet? I suppose, but we would see signs of it elsewhere in Undermine, like computers and antennas and more wires.

I think as a general rule, Things In WoW’s Lore You Can/ Should Take Seriously need, let’s call it five, five pieces of supporting lore evidence explicitly stated elsewhere before you consider it canon. Completely arbitrary but that’s what happens when you let me make rules.

Cameras, for example. When the selfie cameras came out, they were a gimmick. Now we’ve seen cameras mentioned elsewhere more than five times. They’re now canon. Same deal with radios.

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Hello, reminder that fungi are the natural internet of Azeroth, we also have elementals who tend to to share the same temperament and knowledge as each other.

I think you mean hyper processed foods, which are known to be unhealthy to eat regularly. Given how Goblins have a profits over ethics mindset, I wouldn’t be shocked if all manufactured food products in The Undermine are contaminated by dangerous heavy metals and production sludge.

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… The Scourge had a streaming service back in Vanilla. Oh my God.

Being serious with this one, but Elementals die, go back to the Elemental Plane, revive and eventually find their way back to Azeroth in some form or fashion.

We always assumed this was individual souls or spiritual essences, but what if its just a big melting pot. Truly strong and weathered identities will endure and hold themselves together while also absorbing strength and information from weaker Elementals also reduced to a purely spiritual essence.

… Ragnaros didn’t finish eating Thunderaan because the Elemental Prince of Air not because he couldn’t do it, but because this was a hostile Elemental of similar power. Ragnaros had to stop eating before his consumption of Thunderaan turned into a unwilling fusion of the part of both Elemental Princes, an Elemental of Fire and Air driven mad and torn between two mutually hostile minds now forced to share space and possibly even entangled irrevocably into one another, as Elementals traditionally do not have a ‘soul’, rather they are Spiritual entities who gather Elemental Energy that that spiritual essence is attuned to to form their physical ‘body’.

The reason why he separated the ‘remains’ of his rival into two halves and gave it to two servants, both of whom detested each other, was because if Ragnaros was tricked into, or forced into, consuming any more of Thunderaan’s essence, he could lose control and have to fight for dominance of his own form, and his most hated rival would be so deeply embedded in him that digging Thunderaan out would not only kill Ragnaros in the process, but potentially, given their state together, might flight both Elemental Lords back into the Elemental Plane, not into either of their homes where they might rally strength and finally one could consume the other, but into the border-lands between Air and Fire, where they would be trapped, either fighting each other for eternity, or have their consciousnesses batter each other into mush, be unable to tell where Ragnaros ended and Thunderaan began, and revive as a new Elemental Lord of Air and Fire, who might or might not remember what they once were, or might be an entirely new individual, and in either case, that would mean both Ragnaros and Thunderaan would suffer the Final Death, such as Elementals experience such things.

Their Essence continues to exist, but their consciousness does not.

I am grossly oversimplifying the process, but a video camera just takes a lot more pictures than just a normal camera, one after the other, at high speed. And we’ve already got arcane devices that can scan, record, copy and replay memories. Jaina has, in her own words, ‘a fairly common spell’ that allows one to replay the memories of a willing target, we had the Memory Potion from Pandaria that could allow the imbiber to do the same even with a hostile ‘donor’ in the mix.

We’ve seen arcane crystal devices being used to replace messages or display moving images with sound, as far back as the Burning Crusade with Ethereals, we had Khadgar’s floating head-orb gimmick, we’ve had multiple iterations in Suramar, we had it again in Legion scattered amongst the Fel Strongholds of the Legion where Legion commanders broadcasted orders to their soldiers and minions, we even had it in the War Within where we have both the Web-Casters of the Neruwubians, the holographic projectors of the Earthen, and again, Dalaran devices capable of storing and replaying messages and three-dimensional holographic images that moved and ‘spoke’.

Even if a purely technical version is a while away or unlikely to be built, there’s magical and techno-arcane versions already in place. It is now just creating a network that would allow multiple simultaneous broadcasts of different information at will without signal-degradation or latency issues.

Hell, if that’s a ‘fairly common spell’, as the Arch-Mage of WillSomebodyPleaseGiveThisWomanAHug says, then what’s stopping adventurers from having a mage withdraw the memory, then cast it onto a larger audience or a display crystal to show a wider audience what they actually do?

Yeah, uhm, if the Dark Heart feeds on Arcane Energy to produce Void Energy … what about all that Arcane Energy the Ethereals were collecting from Outland and the Twisting Nether, or were given by us, about …

SIXTEEN YEARS?!?!

Please excuse me, I’m fading to dust as we speak …

And nobody has really checked up on what the Ethereals of Outland have been doing since we sodded off to go kick Arthas in his Lich-Ring? I mean we’ve encountered Ethereals back in Legion, and again a few times in the Battle for Azeroth, but those Ethereals, back on Outland, who have been draining arcane energies right out of the Twisting Nether, now without having to worry about the Legion swooping in to snort all their hard work off the polished thighs of Incubi Guys?

I AM HAVING A CONCERN! :dracthyr_uwahh_animated:

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What? You think an upstanding group like the Consortium wouldn’t be trust worthy?

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Corporate keeps telling me to remind everyone that, "No one care about the old world, please stop mentioning it and join us in The Undermine.

PS: If you don’t then every day you don’t show up, your Gazmaster Card’s interest will increase by 500%. We can’t wait to see you labor with us!"

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Ya know, I find it a point of pride I’ve been back for a month and still haven’t touched Undermine.

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Its not a bad patch, it is just very … busy. And cluttered.

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I’ve been enjoying doing archology on my warrior, who has the most progress.

I even leveled from it, which feels as nostalgic as leveling from a gathering profession.

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In Outland doing archeology has been a fun little side activity. 10 gold a pop also isn’t too shabby.

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I didn’t think I would like Undermine. But I adore it. I don’t put on zone music, but theirs is so good. And it’s got a lot of surprises. I’m barely playing the content after running through the storyline, but I really enjoyed the story. It feels a lot like Suramar in the amount of work they put into it.

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Don’t misunderstand me - I’ve got no beef with Undermine as a place or content. It’s been a long, long time coming and Gallywix’s comeuppance is long overdue (Another thing we have to thank Thrall for).

It’s just not something I’m super interested in doing right now.

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I enjoyed your Outlands post. Waiting to see the next.

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Heh, slow going through Blade’s Edge because I’ve got a Rimworld itch and now Baldur’s Gate 3 has dropped Patch 8 and given me Path of the Giants for Barbarians.

I am always wildly amused by the concept of a Gnome Barbarian who can grow to immense size.

I go dumpster divin’ for two hours a night.

I may never step foot outside again

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Oh yeah, just found this out cuz i don’t read cheat guides, but there’s occasional gear drops after you complete 9 of 10 DRIVE missions…not every time, seems random as any other drop. But yeah, it drops parts of the yellow and green Undermine gearsets, and the gunk-covered thingy turn-in ya sometimes get from the dig piles drops the other pieces just as randomly

Thought those green and yellow pieces dropped from the 5-man bosses but nah

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