Dumb Thought: Shadowmourne still exists and why does this not freak more people out

I’d be more worried about that if Blizzard tended to remember all the reality-altering artifacts we’ve encountered throughout the past 20 years.

Chances are high the Pillars of Creation have just been thrown down the Lore Hole.

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I think this touches on a large reason the story means zip to me at this point.

You can only be punched in the face by THE UNIVERSE IS GOING TO COLLAPSE UNLESS YOU SAVE US so many times before you almost kind of want the universe to collapse.

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I mean, I don’t disagree, but the whole point of the Pillars is that they were supposed to shroud Azeroth in a barrier that would prevent the Legion from just teleporting their armies en-mass onto Azeroth ever again.

Then the Naga stole one of the Pillars, and potentially rendered the whole plot of Legion moot.

And now the remaining four Pillars are gone, either consumed along with Dalaran or in the hands of the Naga who are most certainly not our friends after all the conflicts we’ve had with them…

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I mean, I know people have fond memories of Legion, but being blunt - Legion rendered the whole plot of Legion moot by the end of it. We went from stopping the Legion invasion to fighting the very soul of a Planet while what were the literal gods at that point just looking on. Then a huge sword was driven into our planet which has yet to be a major plot point for six years at this point.

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The giant sword is actually an apartment building.

Congratulations! You now have player housing.

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Not going to lie, I would actually love that.

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I dont think they can? They dont know where Azeroth is exactly and Theyve always needed someone on the planet to do a summon in the past

They need a catalyst, but the Pillars were, strictly speaking, a firewall against such catalysts. If you pay enough attention to the quest text, the Pillars being reassembled meant that Warlocks ought to be utterly extinct as they lose all connect to the Fel and Twisting Nether.

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Hero: “Kadgar, we rescued you from… wherever you where – inside Xalatath?”

Kadgar: “Yeah, thanks a lot… :roll_eyes:

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I think the Pillars worked as to avoid mass invasions, meaning that we’d go back to the old days of requiring a summoner on our side to bring the Demons in to Azeroth.

The reason the Legion just didn’t Zerg our :peach:es prior to the Expansion of the same name is because of three factors:


  1. Natural Barriers:

The Legion can’t not enter our world, they can’t easily enter our level of reality. It requires time, summoners who know the correct methods to do so, and the Fel. And the Fel is a consumptive force, a corrosive energy that must be fed other things to make more of itself, and it is innately hostile to all other things, be they forms of energy, types of matter, or even the spellcaster themselves. The best result that gets the purest and most abundant form of Fel energy is the sacrifice of Souls, an irreplaceable thing in the cosmos that releases a tremendous amount of harvestable energy, known as ‘Anima’, upon its death, be it being consumed by the Fel, absorbed by a Naaru, or ‘processed’ by the Shadowlands.

So to create a massive army required to conquer a whole world requires a lot of resources, and the faster you want to summon the Demons in, the more power, be it magical energy or Souls, you will need to fuel these complicated and taxing rituals. And that leads us to the second point …


  1. Resources:

To bring in small demons like Imps was simply a small amount of magical energy, as the Imps were small enough that dragging them through the barriers between levels of reality was much easier and required significantly less energy. While Warlocks have moved on from using Souls as a fuel-source for their summoning, they are calling forth individual Demons, whose True Names they know and whom they have subjugated into service.

And the problem with this is that every time you call a Demon forth into another realm of existence, it leaves a mark, both on the Summoner, and on the realm in which they are summon, specifically at the conjuration place. The release of Fel scars the lands, kills plants and animals and mutates others, and practicioners of the Fel are harmed greatly, if not ‘injured’ per se, by exposure to other forms of healing magic by that ‘marking’, specifically Warlocks are noted for feeling pain when healed by the Light, even if the process does not directly injure them.

The Legion needs tens of thousands of Demons to invade a world, to create that first beach-head, and then to open Gates that allow them to directly invade a world without needing to summon their armies in piece-meal, or use Souls to draw more Demons through at once. They can replace this need for Souls by using native power sources, such as the Well of Eternity, which was so powerful that it could draw through whole portions of the Legion’s infinite armies constantly, as well as other sources of magic such as Illidan’s use of the mysterious arcane power-source beneath the Black Temple to lure, ‘cleanse’ and then bind Demons such as Dreadlords, Satyr, Infernals, Succubi, Shivarra and Fel Guard to his service.

With a secondary barrier around the planet itself, this would make summoning Demons to Azeroth that much harder, and make summoning the more potent Demons such as Pit Fiends, Dreadlords, Manari Eredar and their ilk even more costly because there would be two separate barriers to penetrate, or else the Legion would have to find another world to invade, consume that, build a fleet of their Void Ships and then slowly traverse the Great Dark Beyond, and all the threats out there we’re still not entirely aware of, before attempting to invade Azeroth physically, and considering how many times we have beaten them back, without access to an infinitely respawning army, that would result in a very short, very punished invasion, and that would mean centuries, if not longer, of being tormented on Argus for their failures.


  1. Divided Focus:

As much as it might gall the Defenders of Azeroth, we’re the end goal for the Legion and its infernal Master, but we’re not the only target of their aggression. We encountered, and saved, several worlds during the Legion expansion via Portals on Argus, where the Legion was attempting to corrupt these worlds to serve as fuel to create more Fel energy and to mutate and indoctrinate the native inhabitants where and when they could. While a considerable host of Demons and their mortal Cultists had been thrown at us, an equally considerable amount of Demons were being both held in reserve to protect Argus and the Legion’s other holdings, and were being spread out to these other worlds.

This proved to be a horrendously bad idea for the Legion because now the Murder Hobos Honster Mumper Society Florida People Defenders of Azeroth had been given a direct path to go kick the Demons squarely in their Fel-encrusted Family Jewels, and by God, did we grasp that opportunity with both hands. The Legion had gotten sloppy and with the True Death of Kil’Jaden, Archimonde still MiA and Sargeras apparently going radio silent after Kil’jaden pulled a ‘fine, I will do it myself’ and hung up on the Dark Titan, they had no overarching command structure, which was the whole point of Sargeras going out and personally seducing most of the Eredar in the first place, and thus the defence of Argus, which was the hub of the Legion’s command structure, portal network and ship-yards to make more Void Ships, was sloppy, haphazard and plagued with various Manari, Dreadlords, Pit Fiends and Shivarra all bickering and squabbling over who had the most seniority and ‘girth’ on the table while the overstimulated Defenders of Azeroth proceeded to rag-doll their forces against every available flat surface.


Or, alternatively, Blizzard had never thought that far ahead other than ‘go get shiny macguffinites and put them on the pedestals for cool lightshow’.

:dracthyr_shrug:

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A little of column A, a little of column B really. Legion also implied often that Azeroth was now alone in the cosmos, the Burning Crusade having consumed all other worlds.