Right and in retail with pretty much completely open specs and how easy gearing is that’s pretty easy to do. But all the guilds I was in unless you explicitly told/joined/volunteered to be willing to swap specs your role was known an that’s what was expected that you maintain.
And also there were typically more people with gear for multiple roles than there was room for people to use them, we used to have to have roll offs for who would be allowed to swap specs. So the whole forced thing just doesn’t really fly.
I mean, there’s another aspect of it as well, which is visiting a trainer, and respecc’ing. If you respec often, as I do, you’ll be quite familiar with your talents, and which skills may need to be replaced between which specs on your bars (or perhaps make some use of macros).
It’s something that I personally enjoy. I’m not saying that other have to enjoy it, but it ads some flavor to TBC Classic that simply doesn’t exist in Retail (of course you can read your talent tooltips in Retail also, but trainers are just an artifact of time long gone there).
Most of the arguments for dual spec that I recall off-hand seem to point to gold. Would reduced respec fees solve that issue? Or possibly just playing the game, and farming some gold to respec (which I think is a good thing).
Thanks for the civility. I respec 2-3 times a week so I am pretty fast with the swapping of bars now thanks to some add ons.
But I don’t enjoy going back to my main city and paying 50 gold and spending time updating my bars every time I want to queue some arenas. I really like raiding and playing arenas so I still do it.
I just feel like more people would be willing to play more pvp if they weren’t worried about having to drop 100g to swap specs for a night. Given that pvp participation for tbc is in the toilet I think it would be a good change.
Maybe! It would be interesting to have them make just that one change and see whether the level of pvp participation changes.
As a bit of an aside, I am surprised with how many people have absolute bis everything, and will even pay to swap their blacksmithing specialization from Maces to Swords to switch between Fury and Arms just for fun while running Heroics with guildies.
Tell that to my experience with Wrath. Almost no one was required to have 2 raid specs. Maybe one dps had a tank spec for the rare fight that needed an extra tank or one dps had a healing spec for the rare fight that needed an extra healer. I stayed holy for every fight and stayed in the same dps spec when I raided with an alt for the whole fight. Whole sale respeccing for trash or each boss didn’t happen even after dual spec was added.
Either you were in an extreme min/max guild or you’re lying. The vast majority of guilds didn’t do it in wrath or the later expansions
People make choices all the time in the game based on their personal and subjective idea of what is fun for them. While some might spend more time in game farming gold for respecs others play less and just log off rather than farm to respec. Some would play more of the game if there was dual spec.
It isn’t my solution, and it certainly isn’t magic. Dual spec is part of a future iteration of the game, and will most likely be part of that version if/when we get it.
I’m not the gatekeeper of dual spec, nor do I imagine that my opinion on it holds any sway. I’m merely stating that I’m not particularly a fan of it, but hey, it doesn’t matter; we’ll still get it when we get it.
I said many times that was my retail experience. Obviously is not the case in TBC as there isn’t dual-spec so forcing people to have two raid specs would be nonsensical.
You have repetitively claimed you would be forced to dual spec if it existed but also demonstrated that your classic guild does not care aout min maxxing.
Which one is it, keep in mind you’ve already stated your guild is fine with you running a garbage spec now just for giggles.
And no your retail experience is irrelevant because specs in retail aren’t even dual spec.
Retail as in anything that was from Wrath onwards. I stopped raiding in retail during Legion. However back when Dual-Spec was a thing in retail I always had two raiding specs on my main character and was asked to swap between the roles.
Also I take my spec seriously and don’t just play for giggles. I try my best to perform at the highest level I can while being in this spec. There is a difference between full on min-maxxing and being reasonable. While you could argue my spec isn’t optimal given the current meta it’s at least reasonable as it can serve a purpose. If I can freely swap between Holy and Shadow my spec serves no purpose.
LOL no it’s not. The game has had a huge number of changes made since wrath, including changes to how specs work.
If you like switching between holy and shadow what is the problem? And if you are genuinely serious about caring about your performance you should be jumping at the opportunity to do holy and shadow well not just do both mediocrely.
Which is another contradiction, you claim you aren’t playing for giggles but also intentionally picked a spec that you know is just for giggles. It’s kind of like saying you take music seriously because you’re the best kazoo player.
There is a difference between full on min-maxxing and being reasonable.
Yes that’s the point, no guild was demanding everyone dual spec in Wrath/Cata because it wasn’t reasonable or even useful when you get benefit out of only maybe 4-5 people switching.
But I don’t like Shadow DPS at all. That’s the point I’m NOT switching between Holy and Shadow at all. I am Disc as my primary spec and do primarily Holy Damage. I don’t enjoy the way Shadow Plays. It does about equivalent DPS but has better utility while DPSing. The Utility I bring is that I can heal when needed. However if I could just be full CoH Healing and also provide VT while DPSing nobody would want me to be in this spec while DPSing or Healing. It would essentially kill the spec.
Like I said before the spec serves a purpose of being flexible. By adding dual-spec you remove the utility of that flexibility.