My question was worded fine. its not my fault that feywaif seems to think its irrelevant.
You literally said the thing.
Convenience.
Drums and Seal of Martyr were not changes of convenience. Neither was HvH BGs. There’s a big difference.
I think 3 people have answered it so far in ways you deem inappropriate to what it says. The first person I quoted and then answered and apparently I was wrong which in turn means the person I was quoting was also wrong. And now Feywaif has answered it and you think that’s wrong as well.
So, either all three of us–including the person who seemingly agrees with your sentiments–are just completely nuts or maybe the problem is closer than home.
I don’t play SL so I don’t know what it’s like there. But I found the wait times less in wrath after dual spec was added. That success was followed by even lower queue times when the lfd was added.
Level. 58. Boost.
Rift. Stalker. Mount.
The riftstalker mount isnt a convenience change it’s just plain old ActiBlizz money hungry tactics. I disagree with it, but it doesn’t affect anything significantly enough to warrant arguing that it changes the experience.
The 58 boost IS a disaster, and there’s plenty of good arguments out there as to why written in long form, and even videos, such as Madseasons, it’s not necessary for me to re-iterate for the umpteenth time why.
Again, the flaw in your approach is acting as if those things somehow make another completely unrelated thing OK.
You need to argue on the merits of dual spec specifically, understanding that perspectives exist that do not agree with your own. You aren’t doing that. All you’re doing is saying “Hey they added a mount and lvl 58 boosts, so logically, it makes TOTAL sense for them to add dual spec”.
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Dual spec will increase the number of tanks and healers making it easier to form dungeon groups. It will open up more parts of the game for players to pvp and raid or tanks and healers and also pvp, quest and farm.
It didn’t increase tanks in retail and they’ve had tri-spec, a much more potent version of dual spec, for years. Checkmate.
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Again I don’t play SL but it did increase the tanks in wrath when it was introduced.
Have the stats to back up that claim?
10 characters
You have an active sub, login as a DPS and queue for a dungeon. Point easily made.
Alternatively look at which role is getting the bonus satchel.
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I mean, yeah. The primary argument coming from people who want dual spec because it will solve tank shortage is that it will allow people who wish to swap around to do so without the issue of having to respec and the cons associated with that.
But my question focuses on the concern that there aren’t enough of those people, to solve the issue. Using retail as evidence, since retail allows all spec, and even gives bonus rewards to tanks and healers, along with constant threat changes, and simplification of how tanking works, there is still a shortage of tanks. This means that despite there being all the ability in the world to tank when someone “wants” to, the main factor is how many people actually want to.
So yeah… I wouldn’t call you people nuts. But its a relevant question, that’s being ignored, for reasons I can only guess is that they don’t want it to be the main concern.
Edit: for clarification, I like dual spec, I would benefit from it tons. I dislike the argument that it will solve the tank shortage. If it gets added, I’ll use it, if it doesn’t I wont be sad about it. But I think people need to stop acting like it will solve a this problem.
I can’t say if the queue times were less for others in wrath. I tanked my way through wrath, and I never waited for dungeons. near instant queues implies that others were waiting for me, or another tank to come along. So it sounds to me like there was still a problem.
random dungeon finder doesn’t really solve the issue, but more so hides it. Its much easier to ignore how long something takes when you can set it and forget it, and go about what you’re doing. The current tanking issue seems so prevalent because you have to interact so heavily to make groups right now.
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That people will pay for because buying a mount online is far more convenient than farming the gold for it in the game.
Good. Neither will dual spec. Glad we agree that changes that do not have a significant affect are good for the game.
Which Blizzard implemented regardless of all the arguments against that. Including my own sentiments that it not be added.
I was ignored. A lot of others were ignored as well.
Know why? Because the majority of the players don’t really care about what I think or want as far as the boost is concerned. That’s a reality I have to face.
Okay, let me quote from Greg Street:
"[Dual spec is] a great way to increase the flexibility available to players and encourage them to take part in more aspects of the game. To use just one example, some players like to participate in both raids and Arenas, which is awesome behavior that we want to promote. But, there are some talents which are more useful in one part of the game than another. Currently, players have to pay respec costs and go through the process of setting up the desired talent spec and action bars whenever they switch.
The new system makes this a much more logical process, saving on time and cost and allowing players to easily move from one aspect of the game to another."
https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/eu-en/8041844862-talent-dual-spec-qa-with-ghostcrawler/
Dual spec does affect my experience, and in a negative way, I would argue.
Also, Greg is right, for the expansion that he actually added it in.
Which was not TBC.
I don’t have sl or the retail game on my computer.
The incentive system is another good move by blizzard to increase the number of tanks. I fully support it.
You don’t need shadowlands. The problem is visible from any expansion.
Also, the existence of the satchel is part of the reason why your argument sucks, I wouldn’t give it such high praise.
sigh
Seal. of. the. Martyr.
To argue you have to actually make arguments. Not merely state you’re arguing.
Will it though??? If you’re a DPS warrior you’ve got a PvP and PvE spec, same applies to rets and holy paladins probably. I suppose ferals can have one PvE spec they can use for DPS and tanking.
I think people are overblowing this issue. You’re addicted to convenience, at the expense of gameplay. This isn’t the type of change that clearly could fit into the original design philosophy this one’s a big stretch. Not saying it’d be the end of the world, but if we add enough of these “stretch” changes up when they aren’t really necessary… doesn’t look good for the future.