Dual Spec solves Tank shortage

Why would you even attempt to mention this?

You dont have that information, so in the eventuality that readhead doesn’t provide it, it does nothing for your argument.

Also, are you a

If you aren’t, you should stop acting like you know how they would approach this situation.

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Clearly you have never worked for any major business and the child doesn’t work at the DHS. In every job I’ve had businesses are constantly making changes to improve quality, productivity, etc. In fact that’s how any big change happened in society. Many small changes, each good but insufficient, adding up to a significant change for the better.

I noticed all you lack of evidence in saying how dual spec will help. Must be tons of evidence you will be citing since it has been in game since wrath.

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This is common knowledge among the educated.

There is no evidence. Blizzard likely has that data but they have never released it. Some posting here are intelligent to realize that. Others are confused or ignorant and think their opinions are facts.

Then why have you claimed that dual spec will lead to a significant increase in the number of tanks?

You make this claim with no evidence then? I thought a reputable historian would have to provide evidence for said claim.

There is evidence. Just none that agrees with you.

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Wait times in wrath after dual spec was added was 45min-1 hour on average for me.

In tbc I actually had less wait time of about 30-45 min to get a group going. The group didn’t always succeed but it started with less wait time. A lot of the tanks I knew in tbc quit from wrath class changes and the content becoming brain dead easy compared to heroics from tbc.

But hay we saw blizzard make multiple attempts to fix the tank shortage after dual spec was added, want to know what that tells me?

That dual spec didn’t fix it in a noticeable way because they had to make multiple other changes targeting targeting tank shortage and attempting to improve it. And even in shadowlands the wait time for a tank was about 25-30 minutes.

Considering blizzard kept making changes to address the tank shortage that tells me the entire playerbase was still lacking in tanks after dual spec. After the loot satchel was added, after tanking was made easy, after tanking gear was made to materialize out of your dps gear when you changed specs (which was free now, no trainer needed, exc). After so many changes and there’s still a decent wait time for a tank in shadowlands.

Logic finds that the first attempt, dual spec, didn’t fix the issue, so they tried something else, then that didn’t work, so they tried something else, exc.

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Sorry, not going to play the “So, what you’re saying is…?” game.

Wait a minute, weren’t you the one who was telling me that this was an insult?

See, you not only engage in dishonesty and bad faith, you actively rely on them.

I have always said that it was my personal experience and opinion. I don’t claim opinions are facts because I’m not a complete moron.

Cite the data with a graph over time showing the changes, if any, in the number of tanks and healers before and after dual spec was added to the game.

It’s called blizzard patch noted. It’s not in a graph format, is that why it’s so confusing for you to understand it?

Dude, yeah. its called irony. I’m using your statement, back at you. Like I’m glad you picked up on the callback.
However in my situation, when I started to wonder if you had the knowledge or not, I stated that maybe you didn’t know.

You continued on with your habits, so I explained my situation.

the whole point was to remind you of the the things you have said.

He has stated his data. You need to either admit it proves his point, or explain why it doesn’t.

The difficulty here would be in correlating any increases with the change.

More often then not, however, perception will be reality. In other words, if a change is made and I queue for a dungeon or LF Tank and I don’t get the results that I expect, then that means Blizzard “failed”.

The grand majority of all the posts on this forum are exactly that. Rarely is it a person looking at raw data and trying to figure it out. It’s mostly, “I was inconvenienced by this which means it is affecting everyone and should be changed!”

Logic doesn’t support that conclusion. Blizzard could have looked at the data and seem an improvement but not a sufficient improvement. So they made additional improvements. That really is how the world works. It’s rare that any change totally solved the problem.

So you finally admit you have no data to support your claims of “historical fact” and just your personal experience and opinion.

This is not how this works at all. I don’t have to prove a no evidence claim false. That is entirely on you. Actually and argument from ignorance on your part.

Evidence though is in this thread already. Your lack of evidence is evidence. First person accounts are evidence. The fact that we are not saying how dual spec in wrath solved the tank shortage is evidence.

Your the one claiming no evidence exists yet there is a lot of evidence to be found.

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Roger that. Then let’s just chalk any instance of “bad faith” that you perceive on my part as “irony” and call it a day. Problem solved.

No, I wanna dig in on this.
Why do you repeat
“dual spec wasn’t in retail”
I stated before that I believe you understand the underlying claim of “go play retail” to mean that retail has the convenience you requesting. Am I correct in that belief?
Why do you think it is not a statement made in bad faith? can you put more than

This isn’t "so what you’re saying.
You literally responded to my explanation of why I think what you’re saying is bad faith, by saying I haven’t backed up what ive said.

This was your response to me explaining why I think its bad faith, but you ignored all of my actual reasonings.

Sorry, must just be irony or something. Just arguing in good faith as per your recent parameters.

Unless you were being dishonest earlier? Then I guess it’s you who was arguing in bad faith all along, huh?