It’s also a fact guild banks were I development during vanilla but didn’t get out in until tbc, and it’s a fact we didn’t see guild banks in vanilla classic. With this trend it should also be a fact we won’t see dual spec until wotlk classic.
Maybe you should prioritize farming gold to afford the 50g respec costs so you can change specs when you want? Hmmm.
By this logic why not simply add anything that serves to make your life easier? What is even the point of attempting a recreation of an old expansion at that point?
Your point is? So because Blizzard added something else dumb I’m supposed to be OK with all dumb things they could possibly add?
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Respec cost isn’t what’s holding people back from tanking, everyone that plays a tank class knows they would get instaqueues as a tank- they don’t care- they want someone else to do it because they dislike the roll.
We can discuss the merits of adding Dual spec to TBCC, but let’s not delude ourselves into believing it will produce more tanks, I promise you it won’t.
Your acting like dual spec is a hard thing to code and implement… it’s not, basically all the coding needed is already there in the respec from trainer and the saved talent tree already existing.
The hardest part about dual spec being implemented was making the game design compliment it. Which is how wrath changed from being the spec and class that best fits your group (tbc design) to “bring the player not the class” We also saw pve design changes, dungeons for wotlk were far easier and raid comps were more even in having mechanics for melee and ranged to worry about. Every class had its strengths and weaknesses reduced to be more in line with others. Paladins got better group healing, hunters got better sustained aoe, almost every class now had a CC, interrupt, and self heal baseline. The hardest part of putting dual spec into the game was getting the game to work with dual spec without causing severe balance issues.
Exactly, and I can take it a step farther, some of the tanks I know would rather wait 15 minutes for a dps they know and trust than to get a pug.
One of my guilds tanks will only tank for a group if there is 0 pugs in it, he will only tank for the guild and refuses to pug at all after a few bad pugs he had. I actually came in on that run to help save him lol… he was doing HSV and was at the first boss after 2 hours…
There isn’t a huge tank shortage, there is a huge pug tank shortage. Because those who do chose to tank don’t want to deal with pugs and they can easily get groups with people they want.
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They don’t use logic. They use insults and circular arguments. It’s why I stopped replying to them in the other threads, but it’s hard to not try to correct their “logic”.
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I thought they all relied on you. You told us the tanks you know have to pug if you’re too busy to dps for them.
I’ll explain sslowly. I am saying that a hypothetical FUTURE would not substantially make wait times better. That is a hypothesis on something that MIGHT happen.
You’re saying that, back in WotLK retail, when dual specs were a thing, SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED, that wait times for dps’ers were much better.
Do you understand why I can’t prove a future case but can guess the outcome thanks to the past, while we’re asking you to prove your lies about your past “experience”?
Did I go too fast or you need me to slow down? Btw, nice cherry picking, thanks for basically proving that you have nothing to stand on.
You’re wrong… again. They straight up said it was a large project with a lot of people working to make it happen.
45 minutes was a substantial improvement over the hours that dps often had to wait before dual spec and the lfd was added. You’re making my point for me. The changes improved the wait times in wrath and would likely improve the wait times in BC classic
More cycles I see.
HISTORY proves him right, dual spec didn’t fix the lack of tanks, nor did it make a noticeable difference.
Dual spec became a thing in ulduar. I was a pug desert back then.
Before dual specs I usually had to wait about 45-60 minutes for a tank. After dual spec I had to wait the same amount of time. Why? Because people that were not currently tanking didn’t use dual spec to tank, they used it for a pve and pvp spec.
Dual spec made no noticeable difference in wait times. Want to know what made a difference for me? I started making friends with the tanks I pugged with, got repeat tanks, and by the time wrath ended I had about 15 tanks that were not in my guild on my friends list. Some of them I had to pay to tank but the 50g per run was nothing because I was drowning in gold in wrath. I made that 50g in 3-4 dailies. And even in tbcc I can make 50g with 3-4 dailies considering 2 of them are the daily heroic and daily dungeon and they give more gold than normal dailies.
50g is easy to get in tbcc. Heck just the fishing and cooking daily usually bring in 15+ raw gold, not even including the vendor items, fish that can sell for gold on the AH, or what I kill doing the quests based on the quest.
Some =l= all.
Some of the tanks I know will pug, others that I know will refuse to pug. Is your reading comprehension that bad?
Making your point for you? Nope. Still waiting on your factual numbers and not those you stored along with the voices in your head.
Coding something and getting it to fit the game design are two very different things. It’s a fact that before dual specs got implemented the game saw MASSIVE changes to class and content design.
I’m still waiting on your factual numbers and not those you stored along with the voices in your head.
Just speaking from experience (I was there when it was added originally), all dual spec does is make all the current tanks swap to DPS when they’re done raiding for the week.
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If history proves it than it should be easy for you to link to the data that shows dual spec didn’t increase the number of players tanking and healing.