I don’t think a 1 hour gold grind is excessive … hardly game breaking to have to do an hour of questing for something.
For people that complain about being cut out of content doesn’t seem like you’re that interested in actually playing if you won’t even quest for an hour - for a pretty decent reward. People do more for raid consumes, much more. Lets not even touch on attunements.
That’s to just break even before you can even do whatever else, and for most people who don’t have infinite time to play makes it a poor use of time compared to simply not playing.
It’s patently obvious that Ziryus and Fey simply want without any cost.
Anything short of absolute freedom to do whatever they want, when they want, ignoring any and all intended contraints literally baked in to the game by design, is unacceptable, how the game actually is supposed to work be damned.
I do think their concept of a good mmo is a dungeon crawler, where you don’t have to engage in other aspects of the game if you don’t want to.
That’s not my idea of a good mmo. It wasn’t what the TBC devs envisioned either.
Instances were originally designed as a way of allowing players agency to “change the world”. They were never intended as an escape from it. Questing, the economy, it’s all part of the mmo. If they could achieve that without instancing they would have - one contiguous world is the aim of old school mmos. With RP front and center.
Honest question to Fey or Ziryus:
How much farming is acceptable to afford switching specs?
Based on that answer…whats so bad about farming? Is it too hard for you? Are you lacking in enough ability to consistently kill mobs or complete quests? Like what’s the deal here, maybe we can help you get what you want.
Yea, I don’t see this happening.
Let’s say I’m on my dps druid and a group is looking for a healer. I like to heal, but I’m not going to pay 100 gold to do one dungeon and go back to questing. I just keep questing or farming as I watch a group spam lfg for an hour or more or give up when if there was dual spec I would love to heal that dungeon. Even on fey, a holy specced priest. BB is a low pop server and sometimes a group can’t even find that last dps. I prefer to heal but I like to dps also. But I’m not going to pay 100 gold to dps that one dungeon and I’ve watched groups spamming the lfg looking for that last dps without any luck.
Look, this is not theory. This has happened to me, and many others came here and claimed the same thing. It’s a fact that dual spec would make the tank and healer shortage less severe and especially on the low/medium pop realms make it easier to find groups. It might help slow down the transfers to the mega realms. You may not care about that but I do. I think it would make the game better for everyone. And I don’t see the down side. The only possible problem I see is abuse in raids and we think that’s greatly exaggerated. I raided in wrath and my guilds never respecced to do trash then respecced for different bosses. Few people respecced in a raid and then only rarely. But if that’s the problem most of us have agreed to a cool down and respeccing only in a major city, even though we don’t think it’s a problem. That’s the very definition of a compromise.
Oh your on horde side Bloodsail? Neat waves
our population’s a mess right now 
If you like to heal, then why are you playing a DPS class/spec?
Why not commit to one or the other, or spread your talent points evenly across both specs and carry extra gear so you can do both (albeit do neither as good as a deep-specced counterpart)? Or level an alt so you have a DPS and a healer for any day of the week?
Why do so many players believe you can’t do anything in this game unless you are fully optimised and can get the absolute best parses?
Except that most people would be fine with the 1k fee that it had in wrath as well additional restriction like a cool down and or being in ton.
But then that’s because we’re discussing the issue in good faith, not fear mongering an trying to pretend you have any reason other than #nochanges.
You realize some classes have specs that can do more than one role and some people actually enjoy doing so?
Exactly - you can have flexibility at a cost. You won’t be optimal or you need to grind gold for an hour. That’s the design. Tradeoffs. And for it’s time it is particularly onerous the tradeoff.
I don’t find the “I want to do what I want to do without the tradeoffs” position compelling.
There’s plenty in the game I don’t enjoy but do as a means to an end. Other people may enjoy those things and the fact that the game forces me to means that part of the game is more active than it would be if we could skip it. It’s a social game.
It’s not fun in certain specs in certain classes. It also takes significantly longer for certain classes in certain specs. I think it’s the worse for resto specced druids, so unfun that I decided to spec my druid dps and not heal with her. For a hunter and other dps classes it’s very different than for a healer or a tank. I didn’t even buy dual spec for my hunter in wrath until I was loaded with gold but I dual specced my druid immediately so I could heal the wrath dungeons and bought it on my shaman when it was level 40. Fun is subjective and different people make different decisions and choices based on their personal subjective idea of what is fun
Because the concept of “role” is lost on them. It’s a ridiculous notion that you should only utilize 1/3 of your talents at all times.
Because healing is not the only thing I want to do in the game. So I do commit to one, dps, because on balance it’s the best of the bad choices blizzard gives me. So there is one less healer in the game in an expansion where dungeon running is an important part of the game. And others have come here and said the same thing. They would heal or tank dungeons but it’s not fun to quest or farm in those specs so they choose to spec dps and not tank or heal. That hurts even the dps that might not even want to dual spec when they can’t do a dungeon run because they can’t find a tank or healer
As a Druid main, I do. And I also recognise that just because I can do multiple things simultaneously doesn’t mean I can do all of them well simultaneously, and I need to make some sacrifices depending on what I want to focus on.
Just like I can only have two professions at any given moment, even though I’d certainly like to have three or four. Where’s my Dual-Profession?!
I understand that, but you didn’t answer why you can’t play a hybrid spec or level an alt.
Yep, I already need to gem, enchant, faction head enchant and spellthread 2 sets of gear. Provide mats for and craft crafted gear as needed. I need to farm, buy or make 50 pots roughly a week, 3-4 flasks, sometimes more, a stack or two of wizard oil, and farm/cook or buy food.
That already takes up all my “just play the game and you’ll earn gold!!!” grindy pointless wasted time budget each week.
Respecing is an “optional” cost on top of this, one that costs 100 gold every time I want to swap and back, so I simply don’t. I’m pvp spec between raids and I don’t participate in any pve content on any of my characters.
Because now you would be developing that character instead of the one in question. You don’t think this is absurd?
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This hybrid spec argument again, just does my head in. By all means, feel free to queue up as a hybrid spec in arenas, you’ll be free points for the guys who are free points for me. You going to raid as a deadweight hybrid spec? Maybe you could carry 1 or 2 of those in actual raid, but again you’re going to be deadweight and you’re really just griefing your other raid members. I wouldn’t let you anywhere near a raid I was part of.
About all you can do with a hybrid spec is normal dungeons, or maybe a heroic provided you’re either an incredibly overgeared tank or an irrelevant role like dps. In which case you’re STILL griefing your group anyway by dragging the heroic out twice as long.
Not at all. I think that’s the RP part of RPG. The game gives you all these combinations of classes, races and specs - each with strengths and weaknesses - so you can play and have fun with them all. There’s a reason you have 9 character slots, it’s not for 8 bank alts.