Here’s one example of you indirectly insulting someone’s intelligence. This is one example from this thread. You’re using insults to “win” your arguments.
Edit:finally
Auto correct it recognizing “youre” into you’re properly, wooo!
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Sorry, but…
Telling someone to humble themselves isn’t the same as insulting their intelligence. Never said he was stupid or not intelligent. Just told him he wasn’t as smart as he thought he was.
It’s the same as telling someone not to do anything stupid. You’re not saying they’re stupid, you’re just telling them to be alert.
Whatever you say buddy, I gave an example of your behavior and how you “win” arguments. The truth hurts a bit doesn’t it?
From what I recall, I couldn’t even “win” that argument because no argument was being had. That was the point I made there to the person I was talking with. He was making statements without any backing and also being overtly elaborate with his words in order give himself the appearance of being highly intelligent.
The only thing I “won” was the satisfaction of showing him how pompous he was. Kind of the same satisfaction I’m feeling right now as I speak with you or when I watch Delimicus post screenshots and links.
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I agree. But it’s not gonna happen Xuxu. A lot of quality of life stuff that should have been in the game as early as Vanilla Classic wont show up without a large enough push due to the #nochanges crowd.
Any huge changes bliz currently has done to TBC classic will be purely monetarily focused.
If you actually read my post nerd I said that I ended up going tank spec to do the dungeons I never said it eliminated the lack of ppl tanking.
I wouldn’t have bothered to without dual spec.
I don’t even understand why this is an argument against dual spec. So because it guaranteed Won’t help the tank situation at all even by a tiny bit we still Shouldn’t introduce a massive QoL change for hybrid classes and pvpers?
People still had to go back to a capital city to respec they couldn’t just do it in between raid bosses. The only obstacle it removed was the gold and hassle of redoing all ur talents.
The type of people who are generally against dual spec are the type of purists who wanted spell batching in classic (lol that was fun wasn’t it?). Not every QoL change that came into this game was bad design. Dual spec was one of the most liberating of all of them.
Nano (Nost dev) just released a video advocating for Dual Spec in Classic TBC. Blizzard, implement Dual Spec. Thanks.
The process of respecing is bad gameplay. Everyone should already know this. Twice a week run to a trainer, click the talents, swap a bunch of abilities and macros around. Go prot 2 days a week for raids. Then pvp spec for bgs/arena/questing/farming. It’d be nice to do more heroics, but respecing is not good foreplay.
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When the argument addresses someone’s irrelevant raid progress or other personal quality and not their actual point it IS a personal attack.
It’s called playing the man. And it is a tactic deployed liberally on these forums.
Essentially trying to throw mud at the person so people won’t listen to their argument. It’s a dirty debating trick and has nothing to do with trying to have any form of productive discourse.
Another tactic is this:
Misrepresentation. In this case misrepresenting a lot of positions that are #somechanges to be the more extreme #nochanges. Essentially the false assertion that those against dual spec are against all changes.
You can be opposed to dual spec without being opposed to all changes. Some of us are fine with lower respec costs etc … but we don’t think dual spec fits the TBC game.
Of course if you didn’t frame the discussion as a clash of opposites there may be room for a compromise. But compromise is not what you’re about is it? You want dual spec and that’s that. #somechanges to you is #givemeeverythingIwant.
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If you make respec’ing free and easy, it becomes required. You end up with people rotating specs from boss to boss, and weird raid stacking, and the total loss of all hybrid specs.
You have to impose some sort of cost or difficulty that makes it unreasonable to expect someone to respec “on the fly”(or hearth and be summoned back), without making the burden so high that it feels like you’re locked in.
Dual spec doesn’t implement something, that isn’t viable right now as well.
It’s not like you can free respec all the time. You just have 2 specs available within you can switch, only in a major city.
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The 50g respec cost is a huge burden for most players, and is normally paid twice. So that 50g is actually 100g. Expecting people to dish out 100g to run a heroic/raid/pvp is unreasonable. Only no-life tryhards and gold-buyers will do it. Which is why people don’t ask people to respec.
If respecing was free, people would constantly be asking people to respec. Both between dungeons and even between raid bosses. It would become basically part of the rotation. Kill a boss, have people respec for next boss, repeat.
Dual-spec would have a significant effect on raiding metas(parsing), and create weird burdens on hybrid classes, while pushing more players into cookie-cutter talent specs.
A solution should make respecing less of a burden without it having a noticeable effect on the game(other than maybe more tanks for 5-mans).
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I mean im pretty sure you couldnt change specs outside of a major city or something
It just means the mage ports them and they get summoned back. In patch 2.4 they allow summoning to the inside of instances.
I dont feel like people would do that because it would increase raid time astronomically
Exactly, which is why we are asking for dual spec, so we can enjoy PvP + PvE for example.
But having dual spec will only allow you 2 specs instead of 1. That isn’t like you will respec every single boss with warlock portal action.
If you want to change the spec within the dual spec, you still need to pay the fee to respec.
Beside that, a lot of guys told me that dual spec isn’t needed because you can farm the 50g within 10 minutes or something. That was at least their argument why dual spec shouldn’t be implemented… 
- Your “parse” isn’t dependent on raid clear time. Speed runs are a separate thing.
- A lot of the later content is difficult enough that raid comp becomes more important. Many guilds swapped people in for specific boss fights where they needed extra healers, extra dps, or more tanks, etc.
- You don’t need everyone to swap between bosses. You port a few people out, they swap, and get summoned back, often by a summoning alt who is waiting outside the instance. Only takes a few minutes. And in phase 5 you can summon them back directly, only takes a few seconds.
Think of it like world buffs. They weren’t required, but they were required. If people can change specs easily, it’ll become mandatory.
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I mean i guess? but thats not even the point i was making. Kara is already absurdly long even if youre only port a few people back and summoning that means people have to exit the raid every time to summon them or have people on standby just for summons? seems like an absurd amount of work to set parse standards that a large majority of players wont be doing