These be some fax my doode.
Maybe that’s because you actually don’t have a good argument 
So once again make your argument, let’s see how much weight it actually has.
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For the 5th time in this thread
- It will change the meta. Guilds will start demanding 2 specs for raiding and most people wont actually get a raid spec and a pvp spec. Youll be required to show up to raid with 2 specs that assist with clearing the content as fast as possible.
Your counter argument will be "well then they just put a limitation that you can only do it in town. Or have a 1 hour cooldown. And while yes that is a solution to THAT singular problem that dual spec could present the other downside could be…
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Removing people from daily dungeon/heroic rotation - Once enough people get their dual spec tree what incentive do they have to run daily content if they will most likely not need the gold. Even if they have their pvp spec and their pve spec, theyll likely log on switch to pvp spec. Complete some arenas and some bgs then log off until raid. Never needing to do a heroic or a dungeon because the gold requirement to respec is no longer needed. Thus removing more and more people from doing those quests daily.
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This point piggy backs off the first issue. If they start requiring 2 pve specs for raiding youd still need to farm gold (which seems to be one of the arguments in favor of dual spec) to swap out your second pve spec for a pvp one. Thus not solving the problem you and those who are in support of dual spec were hoping for.
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So explain in detail why.
We know all the details of specs. Why would dual spec suddenly force everyone to have a second spec solely for raiding. The optimal raiding spec doesn’t change just because respecs are an option.
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Thank you for ignoring my whole post and providing no counter argument.
Here ill elaborate why since this seems complex for you.
The fact that this version of the game has already existed for 15 years (give or take) causes people to view things in the scope of “What is the BEST thing i can provide for my character, how can i or WE perform optimally”. The reason many people in this thread are arguing IN FAVOR of dual spec is because “they want to be optimal for both PVP and PVE”.
This mindset is present everywhere in the game. So when you give players a new option of a second spec that can be changed at will (whether on a cd or not) they are going to find a way to abuse this mechanic to its highest potential.
We see this in Classic WoW with world buffs. People made alts and alts and cleared Rend and Ony and rotated who completed the quest and coordinated on Discord servers when buffs would be dropped so people could be buffed up on ANY day of the week for raids. This isnt some blind information im pulling out of my backside this is stuff we ALL saw in the real scenarios of the game. Players abuse mechanics. Period.
So once dual spec gets implemented if theres even a slight chance that it could be abused to help parses and perform more optimally. Even on the smallest scale players will do it. And if you argue “only the high end sweaties will do it” Youll clearly see that in classic. Not only the high end sweaties showed up to raids with full buffs, full consumes, only optimal specs, and lists of which gear would BEST go to each character with priority order
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You didn’t answer the question, are you unable to?
Why would the majority of a raid be expected to have a second spec when doing so adds no benefit?
Sure 1 or 2 tanks and healers will switch spec but the idea that the entire raid needs to switch specs all the time shows you just don’t understand raiding.
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I did. Can you not read?
Why would it provide no benefit?
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Because there simply isn’t that much swing in spec requirements.
Your weird idea that everyone would need to switch specs all the time just doesn’t sync with reality.
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so why keep making that argument when you admit there is an easy solution?
You act like the only reason people run dailies is for gold for respec costs. They still need gold for consumes, the epic mount that many people at 70 still don’t have, AH items, enchants, ect. In addition to all the other expenses people will run dungeons more for their off spec set.
That problem has already been solved, as you said, " yes that is a solution to THAT singular problem." You’ve got nothing, no argument at all. Stop pretending you do.
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Because thats under the assumption blizzard actually implements a fix for a problem that isnt even present yet.
I mean its probably 1/3 of the reason why people run dailies.
Most people who are in raid guilds arent gonna waste time with doing normal dungeons and heroics for their off spec. Theyre gonna pug Phase 1 content and gear up that way. It wouldnt make any sense to start with heroic gear
Again under the assumption that blizzard implements a fix for a problem that havent even addressed almost 30% through this expansions life. if youre gonna sit here and just disagree with my arguments just because you dont like them when they are legitimacy then dont expect people to do the same for you when you shout in the echo chamber that Dual spec is only good and there are no negative side affects
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I run dailies often and I never respec. Most of the people I play with almost never respec. It’s the rare player in my crowd that respecs often.
/shrug there is simply an easy fix for the dual spec problem in raids. You won’t let it go because it’s the only reasonable argument you have. To keep that argument alive you’ll ignore the easy fix for the problem.
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So if its the rare player that respecs, how is it the majority thats asking for dual spec?[quote=“Solotov-benediction, post:4246, topic:1001694, full:true”]
Is farming gold not an easy fix for not having dual spec?
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The reason I and many other people don’t respec is because it’s too onerous to pay the respec costs, redo the talents, carefully less we make a mistake, and our bars. I’d respec every day, some days more than once, if there was dual spec. That’s why we want it
What you self centered people fail to understand is that fun is subjective. What’s fun for you might not be fun for other people. I farm the bare minimum I have to for the gold I need. I don’t even have my epic flying mount. And anytime I want to farm I start 100 g in the hole since most farming is tedious with a holy specced priest. I’d farm more if I had dual spec.
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Are you seriously asking why with a higher barrier to respec fewer people do it?
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Farm the gold easy fix
Press them carefully easy fix
Theres an addon for that
If youre running dailies everyday theres almost no reason why you shouldnt have gold for respec.
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So you just don’t understand the problem, got it.
The time spend farming that gold could be time spent actually in the spec. This isn’t rocket science.
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Double negative. This means something with be changed.
Who said we’re going to change anything at a whim?
This is just one thing, and it’s based on what Blizzard has already done.
No, you’re being irrational. and making up scenarios that don’t account for that fact that respecs already exist in the current game.
Our entire desire hinges on something Blizzard added to the game with concerns to what was going on in TBC.
Your entire argument hinges on changes but only changes you want that have been enacted already.
Doesn’t matter. You’re playing the game regardless of what you want which means your taking a stand on changes doesn’t matter because you’ve shown your spine is flimsy.
Your debating means nothing because you’ve chosen to continue playing a game whose changes you are against.
You don’t stand on principle which essentially means Blizzard can slap you in the face and you’ll still ask for more.
Respec already exist. People already do this. I’ve been in 2 guilds since this expansion with guild who have told Prot Paladins to respec as Holy or Ret for raids because we have too many tanks.
This is done in the current game.
Meta has nothing to do with this. It is totally based on the needs of the raid.
Dual Spec doesn’t change the meta.
Respecs exist. People already have the ability to do this.
It’s impossible for Dual Spec to affect parses given it has zero impact on the baseline efficacy of any spec. If you respec from Holy to Prot to tank, you’re no better or worse than any other Prot Paladin as far as your talents go.
I run with several folks who are continually running through Heroics dungeons to supplement for Off-spec. There’s a Holy Paladin farming H SH for the boots that drop off Kargath. I also have a Resto Shaman who is farming H MT for the totem that drops of Pandemonious.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Dual spec costs 1000g. That gold needs to be earned.
1000g will buy you dual spec.
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Correct
Based on what thing? What has blizzard done to indicate they will implement this change?
Its called hypothesizing the effects of a change getting implemented. Pretty standard for how people design games
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None of you are concerned you just want free respecs and to be optimal all the time
What changes did i want that have been enacted already
As are you. And 3 months later dual spec isnt implemented. Is your spine flimsy as well?
What changes am I against? What does that have to do with me being opposed to a change they make? Life is not black and white kid, certain changes have bigger impacts than other changes. Some changes I agree with and some I dont. Im not going to quit the game at the first sign of a change being implemented that I dont like.
If people were like that you would have looked at lack of dual spec and been like “IM NOT PLAYING TBC THIS IS RIDICULOUS”
This is not the same thing asn requiring 2 specs upon joining a raiding guild
Not the same thing
But certain specs could be better for a dps than others based on boss. Again not black and white like youre implying.
Correct but people are complaining about 50g a few times a week and you want a change that will make it 1k? Yeah sure its one time but but what about when you wanna change one of those two specs? Or when the two specs arent enough and youre swapping between 3 now?
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still waiting for that counter argument
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I’m sure they will throw an insult and claim they countered it.
Same thing they have been doing this entire time.
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