I’m talking about people using the fact that blizzard hasn’t added dual spec to TBC Classic as proof that it doesn’t belong. Following that logic if blizzard did add it to TBC Classic they would have to equally accept that as the right decision.
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Gotcha that makes sense Although you are right that is actually pretty funny Although at this point with everything else that’s going on in blizzard I almost question would they even have time to do it.
And sometimes it does feel like I’m talking to the void however That doesn’t mean I’m going to stop because I still say.
#Is dual speck
i feel like its a feature that would have been added prelaunch. I dont agree with everything blizzard does but I can say i agree so far with their approach to tbc and the changes they have made. Except for them adding lvl 58 boosts to tbc
That’s not the argument.
The argumwnt isn’t it wasn’t in tbc so it shouldn’t be in tbcc.
It’s that dual spec goes directly against the design goals of tbc and there is a blue post from that time stating that they don’t intend to add any form of multi spec to tbc because it goes against the design they have for the game.
The rest of your false argument s and counters are just as ignorant as the first…
It’s not proof that it doesn’t belong. No-one is claiming that the absence of dual spec in TBC proves it is not a fit for TBC. All it shows is that it hasn’t been tested in this version of the game. Therefore it’s open to discussion. It may belong. Or it may not. That is the discussion. You can’t argue that its existence in WoTLK guarantees it is a fit for TBCC. That’s the claim we are countering when we say that TBCC is not necessarily a good place for the dual spec feature.
We’re not saying it isn’t on that basis though. You have to argue independently why you think it is or isn’t a fit for TBCC.
My reasoning for why it isn’t is that it runs counter the design goals of the original respeccing system and that there isn’t sufficient reason to add it in given that fact.
Changes should be added that enhance the game and fit with the overall game design objectives of this iteration of the game.
If you show me how dual spec fits within the design scope of this game and show sufficient quantifiable benefits I’ll concede.
What I’m asking you to do is provide quantifiable reasons for why you think it is a fit for tbcc other than citing another version of the game as lazy “evidence”.
You’re making the mistake of assuming that we’re asserting the negative case when we’re not. We’re challenging your positive claim. We haven’t proved DS isn’t a fit, we’ve simply shown that you have failed to prove that it is a fit.
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Which people have done, it’s not a coincidence that the reasons people want it for TBC are exactly why they wanted it for wrath and why the decision to add it was made during TBC originally.
People aren’t asking for dual spec because it’s a wrath feature. People asked for something to address spec issues during TBC, the reasons are the same as they are now. The solution to that happened to take the form of dual spec. And given that dual spec is a tried and true solution it makes a ton of sense to just use that now rather than try to add something new.
If you can suggest something that is both equally as effective at addressing the problems and equally as unintrusive over all as dual spec go for it. But dual spec is a very well known and understand mechanic which makes it very safe to add.
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OK 1st off do tell how the arguments that I put up were ignorant.
And 2nd of all I am quite aware of the blue post you’re talking about however I’m sure there would have been something very similar.
Is about same faction battlegrounds too This goes back to one of my arguments I put up this isn’t 2007.
Is we weren’t having a tank shortage back than either Nor were we having people full clear SSC,tk.
In a hour as far as against the spirit of tbc I completely disagree Is the core of the game is still there.
Is the social aspect is still there However I’m not so rosetended to say it was perfect On top of that we could make the same argument about drums, Is angel crafting and Is enchanting.
Does that mean they were good for the game and on top of that as far as the whole meaningful choice argument.
Is conduit energy, Confidence which, Is your 1st artifact weapon in legion, Is azarette armor respecting, And even somewhat sker and aldor.
Is all things that players universally hated but like you’re not technically every single one of them were meaningful choice.
Is so yeah
It’s right what I do kind of find humorous though especially of late.
The more pvp I hear people start to talk about the more I hear people saying things like we want dual speck.
Now granted it’s not those exact words but just saying Now granted we may not get it till faced 3 but the more we talk about it the faster that could come.
The voices in your head agree with you? How convenient and unexpected!
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Hard to square this with things like simply giving both factions the Paladin Seals, Boosting and Shop goodies at all, gated PvE content, inconsistent release of patterns/recipes, etc.
The big thing is that they said in their interviews on multiple occasions that what “modern players want” features pretty big in their decision making process. Spell Batching was an already implemented example they used, but they offered up as “for example” things like paid Race and/or Faction change as a mere want they’d consider.
They even made a point to make changes that felt more like TBC, even if it wasn’t accurate or authentic to TBC.
I think changes are done conservatively anyway because there is limited time in a day and limited resources, but I don’t think they’re necessarily conservative in sticking to a strict authenticity paradigm.
This.
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Really If that’s the case then how come this thread has over 3000 comments Is obviously its not just me that wants this.
It’s a ton of other people too I’m not the only one that makes threads about dual speck and not the only 1 supporting it so it’s not just a Just me.
And for the record I don’t have voices in my head thank you very much I also think it’s kind of funny that you don’t actually put up an argument you just go to trying to make me seem like I’m crazy.
Well if I am I’d say I have a pretty good right to be I’ve played World of Warcraft for 16 Is years.
I’ve seen a lot of bad and good changes And here is the fact Duel Spec Is is one of the best if not the bis it the best changes they’ve ever made to the game.
Is plane and simple
Essentially, it’s no different than asking for another bank slot or cheaper bank slots or even a guild bank.
Imagine asking for a guild bank and everyone saying, “Just have your GM make an alt and send all your stuff to that alt!” and refusing to budge on that.
A guild bank just makes things simpler and more convenient!
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And imo the answer as to why dual spec shouldn’t be added to TBCC is the same as the one they gave back then too. I agree with that design philosophy. I get that you don’t and on that there really isn’t much to say except we have different opinions on what makes a ‘good’ game.
What I think is missing from your position is sufficient reasoning behind the “benefits” you’re asserting. So far you are assuming those benefits will happen in TBCC and I don’t actually think those assertions are a given.
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Even if the benefits are only 50% of what we got in WotLK, that’s still rather significant. It doesn’t need to be a 100% mirror of WotLK benefits to be good, and something less than 100% doesn’t mean complete mystery.
People have literally explained how lack of dual spec results in them playing less than they otherwise would. That has nothing to do with Wrath, it directly applies to TBC Classic. I realize that you don’t like to think about this but wrath at the basic level plays pretty much the same as TBC.
There’s nothing in TBC that doesn’t benefit from dual spec just the same as it does in wrath.
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And it doesn’t add up. It doesn’t add up that people will just do stuff in a second spec if they have it when they won’t even do 20 min of quests for 50g …
It doesn’t add up that players will magically want to altruistically tank for others enmasse just because they now have a second spec.
Edit: And those who have a vested interest in having the feature claiming they will is akin to an indebted gambler claiming “they’re good for it”.
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Yes it does, people would enjoy what they’d be doing with their second spec, they don’t enjoy farming gold.
This isn’t rocket science. If someone has say an hour or two to play, dual spec allows them to do something they might enjoy in that time. Otherwise they just log out because spending more time farming gold than the time you’ll spend using a spec makes little sense.
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then how are they gonna pay for the potential cost of dual spec?
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It does it makes complete sense Because now players have choice.
You know the whole reason for an off speck if they want to try something different Is for example if I’m looking to get into pdp.
And I’m a tank I know I’m not going to do well unless I respect but if you tell me I have to get a secondary gear set on top of that and pay a 100 gold every single time.
I’m just not going to bother Unless I really really Half 2.
If I have dull speck though Now I can just make that pvp Speck Now I’m more incentivised to try that.
Because gain a second gear said is one thing I don’t mind doing that but having to pay a 100 gold every single time plus name plus.
Is gained a secondary gear said together it’s not worth it.
And you could make the same argument for someone that hasn’t tanked before And you may be right on the concept you can get away with is if tanking early dungeons.
It’s ADP S Warrior but heroics yeah no that’s not happening Is unless you’re being carried.
Is plain and simple now is that the case for every single class I would say OK hunter you could maybe get away with it warlock maybe is warlock maybe to a certain extent.
Is rogue Is you’re really pushing the line but kind of I mean it’s the same argument against arms versus fury.
Is subtlety versus combat Is one is meant for PVP and 1 is not.
It’s just the way we play the game now plain and simple