Then answer me this if you don’t hate the players. Why aren’t you mad at Blizzard for not fixing the Honor bug? If they fixed the HK bug then it would incentivize PvP and actually fighting.
I don’t want AFKing to be the best way to gain honor by far. Fix the bug!!! It only makes sense to get in 10 min games until the bug is fixed. Can you at least acknowledge the problem!
It’s not this is how they were tuned by this point in the game.
From what I saw they did work on the honor bug. Proper ranks are giving more honor now. There is proof that the honor numbers are accurate to prepatch TBC before even. The “honor bug” is NOT causing this.
You need to be honest here. The “honor bug” is your excuse to not play. AFKing by far gives the worst HPH possible. The alliance who are AFKing AB and WSG are NOT doing it for honor. They are doing it for marks.
Last night I played my ally and was getting 2000 - 3000 HPH from running AV. So that HPH is fine and that’s where the alliance go for their honor and then for the marks they go to WSG and AB and AFK because they don’t need honor anymore. No one mentions this because you just want to make the cheating and poor gameplay look better.
IDK man, i think it’s working better than you’re giving it credit for, we’ve had some good games that were close where the horde tried to shut us out and failed and a few rare instances where their turtle tactics worked, there’s various strategies that can be implemented and work well enough to make it a dynamic of an experience it’s not too bad. Until i see someone tanking the boss with all 4 warmasters on them i don’t think it needs to be buffed, because then obviously it’s too easy, right now we kill it with 2 down.
LoL naked AB’s are a big thing on pagle alliance, multiple groups forming for them that fill quickly.
3 warmasters is extremely common, geared groups with naxx gear can do all 4.
It happens.
2 is the meta, 3 is common, 4 is possible.
4 shouldn’t even be a discussion, but that’s my opinion. /shrug
“Working as intended” Blizzard
Disagree, lets walk through the steps here. Honor per hour is drastically reduced from HK’s by a factor of about 20. So now players are incentivized to get faster games since Bonus honor becomes the best source of honor.
You report players that want the best honor because of a Bug, then you get longer Que times. So everyone loses.
Why not just have Blizzard fix the honor bug. You should be getting 1,000s of honor an hour from HK’s and Bonus honor should be the weakest amount of honor by far. If HK’s were rewarding proper honor again then people would turtle in AV and actually farm HK’s since it is supposed to be the best. However the bug prevents that and people just want games to end as fast as possible now. Not sure how to be more clear.
I’m sorry but Blizzard needs to be held accountable for the ignorance that causes these social problem. Then their inability to actually fix problems when they arise.
This has nothing to do with me, I want to fix the problem. Again I don’t want people to AFK in BGs but I don’t blame them when the goal is to Win/Lose as fast as possible since Bonus honor is the only way to grind honor with the limited amount of time. Having a game last 30 mins is a waste of time.
As for me, I am solo farming HK’s on the road since I get 28 honor per kill. So Win/Lose I am maximizing my time.
Actually how it was in Vanilla pre-patch. I know 100% that this is accurate because I was involved in doing exactly this in the original prepatch game after game.
It’s the original 1.5 version of AV you’re thinking of, it’s unlikely (at the proper gear level) for the average team to Zugzug like that, but it’s likely still possible.
Any way, Zugzug and have a goodnight day!
Yeah they gotta fix the honor kills points STAT!
I don’t think it has anything to do with “these days,” other than the fact that a great deal of time has passed and we are better, in general, at communication. Gaming, including gaming the system has always been a part of gaming.
My theory is that people, but particularly the Alliance, hate to PvP. They avoid PvP even in battlegrounds. The preferred Alliance AV strategy is literally just rush south, capture to Frostwolf towers, AFK on Drek Hill and then zerg him down at the earliest convenience. I’ve had AV wins with literally 1 or 2 Honorable Kills. It’s the same reason they seem to like Isle of Conquest, too. Just running bombs in an empty courtyard or shooting glaives at a door, then a PvE boss.
People seem to hate AB and WSG because actual PvP happens there. They want a PvP experience that involves AFK’ing and PvE bosses.
This isn’t BC this is prepatch. As someone that used to play AV religiously, it has always been like this for every prepatch.
Just to explain (there may have been some misunderstanding) I am talking specifically about things like people full-on AFKing in like WSG and AB. I am in no way talking about the rush Drek meta.
The bonus honor from a loss is what, 40? 7 games of that an hour is what? 280 at the most. That’s TERRIBLE HPH. You are all doing it for the marks. If you want to argue accuracy on the proper HK amounts there are a lot of other active threads to do that in.
I don’t care if it makes horde queues 10x longer. You need to take out the trash (some AFKers get suspensions so the action is discouraged) so the whole place doesn’t turn into a garbage dump (AFKing being done through the entirety of TBC). So I will report AFKers for cheating and continue to encourage the reporting as well.
I honestly think you’d be doing it even if the honor number were better. You’d get to honor cap faster and still need the marks so you’d still afk for them. There would just be another excuse.
Well that’s to be expected when you put pve rewards in pvp. Hence the rating requirements in arena.
Id say only AB really has PvP. WSG is just a Druid/FAPs/BoF sim.
Blame Blizzard. Players naturally take the path of least resistance. This is their fault and they are dropping the ball so hard its ridiculous.
“drek or kek” (thought not called this back in original TBC) was how alliance won a battleground. To be honest, its the only BG that alliance won consistently. AV as it is now is as close to as it was during original TBC.
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