Wait, really? This is what you have? I will answer honestly. They have gone lower and lower in the rankings because the BIS gear for several slots is pvp gear meaning the best rogues already had it going into Gnomer. Then the gear in Gnomer isn’t a massive upgrade to rogue damage either meaning other classes will scale better with their Gnomer gear than Rogues. I mean even the primary weapon rogues can get out of the raid is barely better than the one in STV and worse than a BOE purple.
NONE of that means they need to change rogues this phase. It would be very nice if rogues provided some sort of useful party buff though. Like say Slice and Dice adds 10% haste to the party as well.
its a bigger problem then just a buff. rogues legit got the short end of the stick on runes too. we have 1/3rd of out runes dedicated to tanking, 3 runes for pve(no choice), and the rest are a bunch of crap that as 0 uses in pve game play.
if you just look at dps they’re lower-mid. when you consider they bring no buffs/little utility, rogues are in a bad spot pve. idk how people don’t understand this lol. it’s so obvious.
couldnt agree with you more and im glad you agree they should 100% buff ranged hunters, they are barely above a frost mage. At least rogues have a tank spec they could fall back on
I actually DO think they should buff both of these. Thinking rogues got the short end of the stick rune wise doesn’t preclude me from also thinking Marksman and Frost are in terrible spots. It is like Classic P1 when the only thing a mage could play was frost. That gets tedious.
Alright so originally I was coming at your reply from a PURELY PvE Perspective…now you’re telling me you actually believe in your soul that Rogue itself is in needing of buffs for PvP…you actually believe this? Like truthfully…How about instead of buffing Rogues for PvP…we just you know NORMALIZE the outliers instead? Like why do you think MORE damage in PvP is the solution…are you insane? LOL
Below average in all your potential forms of contributing to a group = nobody wants you.
Nobody wants you = not viable.
It’s not a great selling point to your class to be basically hey, you’ll get to be the party leader of anything you actually want to do. Because otherwise you won’t see content.
who cares? every phase will have a bottom tier regardless if everything was 100% balanced and every class did 400 dps some would still do “less” on certain bosses due to mechanics. cry my a fn river bro WOW rogue isn’t #1 for the entire expansion? who cares. you don’t gotta be #1 24/7. now if rogue was like this every raid tier then sure complain tf away.
You are assuming your premise that nobody wants you just because your class is parsing below average. The existence of over a quarter of a million rogue parses over the last week in Gnomer tells me that premise is false. In fact, there are only 4 DPS specs with more parses than DPS Rogues over the last week. Rogues are being brought to raids. That’s not an objective fact.
Again, plenty of groups are bringing Rogues to Gnomer. That aside, viability is about whether you can do enough DPS to clear the raid without being a burden to your group. The median parse for Rogues is 296.39 DPS. That is way more than what would be necessary to be viable.
Again, this is demonstrably false. Rogues are having no trouble accessing the content. I don’t know if you are just relying on your own anecdotal experience or are listening to anecdotes from others, but the actual data shows that Rogues are the 5th most popular DPS to bring to a raid.
Did you even read that link? He didn’t use false equivalence. He pointed out that an average Rogue in Gnomer is doing far more than enough DPS to be viable for that content.
That’s not false equivalence. Stop referencing logical fallacies that you do not understand.
jk.