Hello everyone. Does any Stormbringer Enhance Shaman here use Doomwinds instead of ascendance? And is it better? I find using doomwinds in delves and ritual sites more convenient because i can clear groups of mobs faster in chains instead of waiting 2 whole minutes. Ascendance is very powerful and it melts elites mobs in delves and ritual sites but then have to wait 2 minutes for the next mini boss while doom winds allows me to kill mini bosses fast each minute. For mythics tho I am not having much succes and wonder if any here uses doomwind instead of ascendance on mythic permanently.
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Well, Stormbringer specifically has a talent that interacts with Ascendence and it’s more based on bursty lighting use and that type of playstyle, so it’s generally preferred to use it for the best performance.
Incidentally, Totemic can usually skip out on Ascendence since the cooldowns for Doomwinds and Surging Totem line up on a minute, so it follows more of a minute to minute playstyle.
So while you can just use Doomwinds, Stormbringer benefits more for a hard hitting 2-minute window. But your milage may vary. If it works for you then it works for you.
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The problem with not using Ascendance as Stormbringer is you just make an entire node in the Stormbringer tree useless. Descending Skies only works with Ascendance, so by not taking Ascendance you just lose that node in the Storbringer tree essentially. That puts you at a pretty big disadvantage already.
Personally I would love to just use Doom Winds and not Ascendance as Stormbringer but they basically made it so we can’t or we just lose damage due to losing an entire node in the hero tree. they need to make Descending Skies work with Doom Winds instead of Ascendance, that way we can choose what we want to play between just Doom Winds or taking Ascendance.
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they need to make ascedance its own node
thats is the iconic power and they should have access to both
I don’t know. I like the Midnight rework in that there aren’t as many buttons to keep tracks of.
What I think would be better is, instead of having two separe buttons, or having Doomwinds have a really low and unreliable proc chance when Ascendence isn’t active, is to make it like the Demo Warlock’s Gromoire summon and have it so Ascendence turns into Doomwinds while Ascendence is on cooldown, letting you use it once in the Ascendence cooldown span. And then DW also activates while Ascendence is active.
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shamna is the horde mirror of paladin
give shaman
1 min ascedance
30s doom
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There’s the option to take DRE instead and keep your Doom Winds at 1min. But yeh the whole tree and esp SB hero is just off
No there isn’t. DRE replaces Doom Winds too unfortunately. If it didn’t then a lot more pvp enh shamans would be playing DRE, but I also just double checked to be sure since I hadn’t tested it since the start of the season, it completely replaces Doom Winds.
With the way CDs have been going, yeah that probably is the move. They can nerf them appropriately, especially Ascendance at least in PvP if it becomes 1 minute cd, but that would be ideal. Though idk how I feel about every spec in the game just being a 30s or 1 minute cd spec but I also don’t want our spec to be left behind in that regard so.
Doom Winds being 30s would line it up with Prim Storm which is one of the best/coolest interactions the spec has, it would help the disarm+cc issue with Doom Winds in PvP (doom winds lines up with disarm so it just gets disarmed every time and shut down way too easily for how short of a duration it is).
They could also remove Ascendance and kind of bake it into Doom Winds via the Ascendance capstone if Doom Winds becomes a 30 second CD.
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For example: “Ascendant Winds: During Doom Winds your Stormstrike turns into Windstrike, increasing its range by 30 yards and allowing it to bypass armor”.
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Maybe they can even add a choice node that works with Lava Lash instead of Stormstrike to push the lava theme a bit more. For example: “Molten Winds: Enhance your Doom Winds with Lava, causing Doom Winds to turn your Lava Lash into Molten Lash. Molten Lash has 2 charges, 30 yard range, increases the range of sundering by 20 yards and inherits all of Lava Lashs benefits from talents”
Ahhh right, i hadnt played it that way but I’d read it. I skip out on ascendance and the last apex point and get pri storm, thorims and thunder Capacitor
For PvP that is what most including myself do as well. But not as Stormbringer, as Totemic. Skipping out on Asc as Stormbringer is just bad because you are playing a hero talent with a trait that does not work if you don’t take Ascendance which is just nerfing yourself quite a bit. Of course you can prob get away with it in low ratings or unrated pvp or w/e, but its just being at a disadvantage compared to other enhance pvp shamans or even other specs/classes in general.
Yeh sucks, they seem to have missed alot in the reworks, across many classes
Oh yeah they definitely did. They were very behind this beta cycle, I assume mostly because beta fell across all 3 major US holidays (Thanksgiving, Christmas, New years) which undoubtably took time away from development. Add the addon issues onto that and how those might effect every team (class design, raid design, m+/dungeon design, pvp, etc) and it makes sense how class design is so far behind.
To be clear though they always fumble class design on beta which is the most important time for it, theres always a few classes/specs that get shafted, but at least now we can usually expect the first 0.05 or 0.07 patches to resolve that. This time around it was just much worse, even the tuning was much later than normal.
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Thanks for the reply everyone. Yea i wish we can have doomwinds at 30 seconds while ascendance at 1 minutes. or maybe 45 seconds and 1.5 minutes respectively haha. Right now outside of ascendance my dps is a bit low and for some reason RNG hates me and the rare times that doomwind procs is usually when mobs are about to die wasting the proc lol.
I actually play Stormbringer without Ascendance. I am 2600 rated on my enhance shaman and I actually do more dmg overall in all my M+ runs with the build I am running. The 2 min CD is just to long for 10s so here is the build I run if you want to check it out.
I actually play Stormbringer without Ascendance. I am 2600 rated on my enhance shaman and I actually do more dmg overall in all my M+ runs with the build I am running. The 2 min CD is just to long for 10s so here is the build I run if you want to check it out.
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Ascendance is a cooldown living in the past with an awful 3 minute base cooldown. My major gripe about the class as a whole.
Needs to be reworked for the modern game.
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my opinion is that they ignored all class feedback in beta and put all thier reaources in housingwhich offers
Zero
for game play enhancement
Huh? They made plenty of class changes on the beta. As usual though they never actually complete every spec, never have. Some specs get unlucky and get very little dev time, that has always happened but now we at least have mini patches where those specs can (hopefully) get the attention they didnt get during beta.
They’ve already said different teams work on different things and there is an entire team for class design/tuning. They didn’t just rip them all off of that team and put them on housing lol. There are problems like AI most likely being too prominent in their dev process or them just not having enough time to flesh things out though for sure.
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