the haranir inviting all the elves and trolls to a campfire on a vision quest to realize their shared ancestry.
don’t all the elves and trolls already know (and hate) it? we had elves taunting each other in legion for being descended from trolls and there was some wow comic with brann explaining the link during like TBC. we’ve known this for a very long time. why doesn’t anyone seem to know this in lore?
The Haranir need to update everyone on all the retcons and changes to existing lore that allow them to exist despite being from a nonexistent sequel to another game and also effectively being a carbon copy the Na’vi.
Keep in mind wow is technological backwards with limited means to spread knowledge to the masses. There is no internet or even printing presses to spread ideas. So most npcs in wow are pretty much as educated as a third grader
When you hit a cutscene hit escape and you’ll be so much happier.
Blizzard heard people calling them out for adding the Haranir as whats-his-name’s Mary Sue OC race, so they have to shoehorn in justifications for their existence at every turn
What do you mean? They have printing presses (or a magic and/or sweatshop equivalent).
There have been plenty of world quests where you deliver newspapers, fliers, or deal with other mass-produced propaganda.
That, and lots and lots of books.
Sorry I didn’t fully explain myself. There is a massive divide in azeroth with many places stuck with very limited technologies. We have planes and spaceships but they are using horses and carriages, an inferior means of transport. There are books, but I don’t think they are widespread to the common citizens
If it’s not a “this is where we all came from, we need to remember that” type thing… I’m going to chalk it up to “even though the denizen of Azeroth know there’s a Worldsoul now because of Magni, the writers are going to act like no one knows there’s a Worldsoul.”
What retcons? Nothing about the Haranir is a retcon.
if i were a troll, having that pointed out to me at every corner would irk me something fierce…
Hm. It’s not a lack of technology, it’s a lack of infrastructure.
If you didn’t have paved roads to all the places you want to go, ready access to parts, fuel, and technicians to fix and maintain it, you wouldn’t really want to drive a car.
They most definitely have access to books, newspapers, and even magic tubes that deliver mail anywhere. Cities would be fine, smaller towns and settlements would have to get news from somewhere but it isn’t like they don’t have books.
I’d feel the same if I were a Troll or a Nelf.
Fair enough. Either way you have a large population that lacks access to the large extent of available information. Not every NPC is ignorant, but ignorant NPCs wouldn’t be surprising
Their existence is a retcon given that they’re supposedly so intertwined with the world trees and world so but have gone completely unnoticed by any of the surface side civilizations entirely built around world trees including when they burnt one down.
Basically all the other races we “discovered” over time were explicitly on islands hidden by various magics to explorers and they were doing their own thing. If they hadn’t tied them so hard into the world trees I wouldn’t make this argument.
“Look, mon, it’s bad enough dat da otha’ races of Azeroth treat da Trolls as punchin’ bags afta’ all we been through, ah don’t need a constant reminda’ dat we be ‘technically da same’.”
“You don’t need a constant reminder? What about us? Having to constantly be reminded of our savage upbringing!”
“We all be savage in da end! Dose who ain’t jus’ outsource it! Don’t tink we haven’t seen how ya be treating da less forchunate in ya big golden city!”
“You wish you could have what we have! The last Trolls that even looked at gold were crushed under a giant C’thraxxi! Maybe it’s for the best that you all fade away!”
“I don’ know what Thrall saw in ya. If it were up to da Darkspear, you’d all be eatin’ rot with da rest of the renegade Scourge!”
makeout session
It’s not like we’ve ever cared about the roots of the world trees before or wondered about how far down they might go into the planet.
Just looked into this lmao. I did not know Danuser worked on Kingdoms of Amalur.
I would not hold it against Blizzard if tomorrow they decide to retcon all of Danuser’s story contributions.
Well this is wrong.
You might want to actually learn their lore.
They didn’t. So I guess that solves your problem.
Yup. Peons and peasants as the manual-labor working class would be pretty dim, though they have always been characterized that way.
Most NPCs players interact with aren’t in that caste though. While some would be slower to get “the news around the world and all dimensions” the player goes through and slower to accept new realities of things changing multiple times in their lifetime, most things are probably just kept out from public broadcast for sake of maintaining stability.
Imagine an elderly Stormwind citizen having their whole world view challenged every 3 to 5 years.
You may disagree with them, and they may never be able to prove/disprove their assumption, but neither can you.
Same writer in both games, very similar elf race and aesthetic, both protect important trees.
Hironar vs Haranir (formerly Harronir)
Hard to deny the connection. In the end every new plot and character has to be imagined and written out of thin air, to a certain extent, but the Haranir, their home, their purpose, etc. are completely detached from the rest of Azeroth and the history. I would have much preferred the Amani as a playable race.
I honestly don’t know why people are obsessed with where an idea came from.
Do people get this upset when new devs bring in their ideas from other games? Plunderstorm? The new survival game mode incoming? Other races?