That’s great and all, but until you have 29k anima, having to reupgrade everything is awful. It’s much better simply having alts to put into Covenants. I’m not entirely against the restriction, but there’s no denying they totally screwed up the reward structure, and that adds to the illness that is the Covenant system. It’s far more punishing swapping than it is being stuck in your choice, which is the failure part. It isn’t just the Renown grind, it’s the everything grind.
Also:
This. Meaningful choice is this expansion’s “Morally Gray” or “Savage”; Blizzard says one thing but the real reason they do it is very clearly not for the health of the game. They want choice to matter, they should give actual choices that interest people in the game. As it stands, it’s just more borrowed power that won’t matter after this expansion.
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Exactly, MoP had a lot of legitimate choice, even up to WoD we still had some RPG systems in place with semi-permanence… wasn’t necessarily their A game, but it had choice. I’d say Legion was about where they started trying to “force” the choice effectively taking it away…
I only have one character. Only player in the history of WoW to never level an alt to max.
My point is that feeling how your class plays with a different covenant feels good. And a lot of the meta is wrong. I know doing more dps as a night fae on single target as are many warriors…but all the top guides still say Venthyr is the best for single target.
Not sure if this just how I play or if the guides are outdated. But people should be experimenting with their class and seeing how they do with other covenants and that’s not happening because the consequences of changing covenants seem to grave to encourage experimentation.
As for cosmetics…I really don’t care. I know others do which is fair. I’m okay with whatever solution you want there that only impacts cosmetics.
Why should there be any sense of betrayal? All four are working together anyway. It makes no sense.
I switched this Sunday and haven’t played today and I have already gained 5K anima and I wasn’t even trying to farm it. It’s flowing pretty freely. A lot quicker than the original slog.
That’s honestly not that impressive. I also forgot about having to regrind the Souls, and unless I’m mistaken, you’re back at 10 a week again because you don’t have the Covenant upgrade.
It’s…far too much hassle. The system punishes players heavily for opting to swap, so it’s easier not to.
Venthyr are snooty.
Winter Queen is snooty.
Necrolords find you leaving dishonorable.
Bastion has some obscure bureaucratic reason as to why leaving is bad which they’ll explain to you after they’re done dropping off souls at the Maw to feed the jailers forces.
They are ALL WORKING TOGETHER. Like, hello? Besides, they need MY help. I do what I want.
The into quest gave me 5 souls but then the weekly gave me another 20 souls right off the bat.
Hmm, interesting that that carries over. I’ll give that to them, then. The souls grind sounds reasonable. The anima, however, still does not.
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You only play one class where all 4 covenants are fairly viable.
I’m not sure how your experience is relevant to classes who don’t have that.
Well, that’s something that should be addressed.
That said near 70% of Fury Warriors play Venthyr.
Thats not everyones definition of meaningful.
“Meaningful” to many people would allow players to make a choice for each combination of content/spec/group composition.
To these people, the restriction makes the choice punishing, not meaningful.
I got not even halfway through your post and I hate everything about you as a person.
You know the problem with covenants? For alot of people it locks you into a spec, role for a specific type of game mode. I do not understand blizzard’s fetish with punishing people that like to try or play multiple specs but if they don’t start changing their outlook then i don’t know what to say. They need to fire Ion and covenants are just one of the many restrictive design decisions that are the reason.
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Well, this seems a little overboard.
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Bingo. This is precisely the issue.
I try to be open about systems. I actually get “borrowed power” and even AP, and don’t mind them at all. There’s reasons and benefits to those.
But the restrictions around covenants and conduit energy - the benefits appear to only be about satisfying some arbitrary restriction that some devs think should exist without any actual/tangible/objective benefit to players.
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That sums up about 1/3rd of the design in the last few expansions.
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Outside of RNG with legendaries in Legion - that expansion was great.
It all started in BfA with azerite gear and traits not changing with specs.
The beginning was rough with artifact research and playing more than 1 spec or alts as well.
Pathfinder being held back so long only to send us to Argus right after wasn’t great for players either.
98% of warlocks are NF … ya what a great meaningful choice! Give me a break the covenant system is a huge fail.
It should not have had player power tied to it. The 4 abilities should have been given to us as a new talent row and even if it takes us grinding the renown in each cov to unlock it idc.
But the covenants should have 100% only been for story and cosmetics.
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