“The meta has been ruined”
Can I ask by whose definition? That is a completely opinionated statement based on enjoyment of the game.
This “meta” only applies to those who do content than less than 0.1% of the player base do on live (as there are complete title in off meta groups). Not to mention that this meta has 0 meaning outside of bleeding edge keys so ultimately if it’s not tgp why does it matter. And why should blizz balance around the top 0.1%
How has it ruined the meta in the keys that you do (it hasn’t)?
Lmao right because that wouldn’t make even less sense.
It’s incredible how many armchair game devs there are in this forum.
Tell me you literally have zero idea how the spec plays without telling me.
It isn’t, though. You are struggling with it, but that doesn’t make it hard.
How long has mage been permanently in the meta in a far greater key range than Aug effects? Have you been banging your drum about that, or nah?
This couldn’t just be your self-admitted issue with support specs, right?
as much as we like to meme on aug, casters in general ruin the meta and the meta is made by community perception. mage was always a key staple for years and it wasnt a issue, but aug somehow is? ya no.
So, I was going to read through the responses but clearly those who strongly disagree with what I said do not actually run reasonably higher keys in a PUG setting.
The vast majority of people deem Augment a failure at class design. They took two years to try and fix it and recently had to nerf it into the ground but then buffed its single target damage on the beta.
Get over yourselves. The experiment failed.
Sounds like you’re good at research 
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What keys have you been pugging since Aug came out?
I’ve stated many times (in this thread, even) that Aug needs changes from a design standpoint–especially from a group survivability standpoint. This is completely separate from the absolute nonsense you’re spewing.
That doesn’t change that they have zero actual effect on the keys that anyone in this thread is doing. This includes you.
Vast majority of twitch parrots? Because most people I talk to in my guild which has a variety of players from title range chads to weekly vault enthusiasts do not care about aug’s existence. Nor did anyone care in my previous guild as I made the transition from a non ce guild to a ce guild between season 3/4
UH every key since legion before augment was even a thing. I am a DPS who has had to sit in QUE waiting for 40 min sometimes even with the required rank for related keys and augment only makes the meta and meta perception worse when people are selecting to build their composition.
People will absolutely go to raider Io and just look at the top comp and then demand that they build their comp in a similar manner even if they can’t play augment for crap.
You are going to say well that is a player problem and not augment but augment has dominated in a way demon hunter tank as dominated for far too long and its too powerful in a caster group.
These people are idiots. I have had zero problem pugging as dev for the majority of the expansion and getting KSH+ easily.
“People dumb” isn’t a factual basis for saying the meta has been ruined. And I asked you what keys you pugged at a reasonably high level since Aug came out, since you said I wasn’t pugging anything at a “reasonably high” level to justify my opinion and yet it looks like you haven’t even really run m+ this expansion, lol
Still waiting for an answer on this one, btw.
Yeah, because uh you have a functional guild. I play almost solo and pug most content 80 percent of the time these days so of course people in a normal guild are going to not be that effect by augment’s existence.
They cannot balance augment. Where have you been for two years? Are you on the beta at the moment?
I mean you can look at my raider io. What are you talking about I haven’t run reasonably high keys in DF?
Season 1 highest key: 20 Shadowmoon Burial Tyrannical
Season 2 highest key: 21 Underrot Fortified
Season 3 highest key: 21Waycrest Fortified
Season 4 highest key: 6 Halls Tyrannical (Just haven’t played much at all this season)
Did I say I was amazing ? No but to me running 20s is high enough and maybe that range is a toxic one but pugging in that range has been awful. And there were plenty of people at that range, 15 and up asking for AUG only for season after season.
The fact that you don’t see that these two statements have nothing to do with each other is honestly baffling.
Their inability to be able to balance Aug has zero effect on that key range. That’s a perception issue, not a balance one.
Yes, Aug needs big changes for the keys it affects. No, it’s not affecting your keys (or mine).
Ding ding ding! This has zero to do with Aug and everything to do with the key range/your chosen class. I have been pugging that range as a DPS warrior since mythic plus released and it’s been a nightmare for the class the entire time, regardless of what the meta is.
Third time asking you to address this.
I don’t disagree regarding existing meta with mages involvement. Looking at the current season 4 20 key and up, Augment Fire and Shadow are very powerful.
Yes, most will never run a 20, certainly not me with the affix difficulty change for season 4 and yes people are dumb but sometimes you have to nerf a class heavily to break that perception and given its unique stance as the only support spec I feel healers can just as well fill that niche in a healthier way with some tweaks.
You make the assumption I play M+ with my guild. I am a weekly key enthusiast. I mainly pug my 8 keys per week and all my ksm ksh achievements are entirely pug based due to my work and college schedule being incompatible with when most of the guild runs M+. Aug doesn’t have an impact any more than mage does on key runs especially for the majority of those who only go as far as weekly keys.
So what you’re saying is basically “break aug to where the community deems it to be detrimental to have present over another DPS” as a solution?
That’s not a solution. That’s stupid.
Yeah I got baited into spending way too much time on that one.
The fact that they think blizzard should gut something to compensate for morons is almost as mindless as thinking that this would actually change their minds, lmao.
Although if anyone should get the “nerf to garbage so we can change perception” treatment it should be mages and warlocks. Those guys always find a way to weasel themselves into everything.
Augs identity is to be a water boy and brought to everything off of principle because some people cant play an actual DPS spec and want to be carried in everything they do, play a real spec or class and stop complaining 
we need more than 1 support spec in the game for aug to have any real identity while also being able to tell how good its support is
I agree. pull the ripcord. delete any and all classes that have any sort of party buff element. which includes hunters because pets can have bloodlust.
yeah, but thats why you either play with friends or do like me and just dont do mythic,. Pugs are horrible.