Does WoW Classic (2019) deserve its own new expansion?

Name one good change that he brought? I can go back through our conversation history and almost guarantee that the things you dislike about WoW came about during his reign.

Thereā€™s no breakdown of things he specifically made the decision on, but thereā€™s plenty of positive things in the expansions I listed.

He was gone before WoD and Legion, of which Legion started a lot of things I hate about modern WoW.

I wouldnā€™t mind if they ā€˜up-tunedā€™ some old dungeons/raids for T2/T3 item level. A sort of ā€˜heroicā€™ or ā€˜new game+ā€™ mode that let players struggle against greater challenges. Maybe give special titles or something, but no additional power creep.

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Name one.

Iā€™d go even further and say that Mythic+ in Classic would be a ton of fun. The game is already a parsing competition, imagine if that got extended to the 5-mans as well. The dungeon design in Classic is already great, whatā€™s lacking is the tuning and difficulty. The rewards could be entirely cosmetic so as to not mess with the existing gear progression, but people would engage with the content regardless (after all thereā€™s zero in game benefit to parsing well or speedrunning raids yet the community still loves it).

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Not counting TBC?

Hybrids being just as strong as pures in those roles. Further advances on the vanilla talent tree and class design. Giving casual players more to do, especially with Cata and MoP.

You just said Cata was the best time for you, and that was when he was in chargeā€¦

I agree. M+ is one of the best things to happen to WoW in a long time. It could be even better, if it was a path that didnā€™t require spending time outside of it to be competitive, imo.

#DontMakeMeDoDailiesIllQuit

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What?

Street was hired by Blizzard Entertainment in February 2008,

He had no part in the design of Hybrids in BC, as he started his role a few months prior to the launch of Wrath.

OK. Which parts particularly do find fault with?

So in other words, classic+.

No. Iā€™ll take tbc thanks

Personally, M+ is one of the things I hate in new WoW. I see the point and why people like it - but itā€™s an endless grind, that is a time trial and I personally donā€™t like that.

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Fair. We can disagree on this, but appreciate each othersā€™ points.

I like M+, you do not. I appreciate your stance on this.

(Itā€™s actually my favorite ever PVE in WoW - so far).

Absolutely. One of the best part of Classicā€™s character progression compared to retail is the lack of mandatory daily or weekly grinds and the linear gear progression (no random procs to endlessly farm). All of this could be preserved in a Classic M+ system --> higher key levels could entirely revolve around better execution of challenging mechanics rather than requiring parallel power progression (dailies, artifact grinding, etc.) to complete.

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I might, but Iā€™m going to try Shadowlands, and it may actually be better for me. I hope it will be!

Itā€™s liked by a lot of people so itā€™s not something I begrudge, I just donā€™t enjoy it myself. I donā€™t play modern WoW anyway so it doesnā€™t really matter - weā€™ll see in Shadowlands though.

Yeah. I agree.

Yeah. My issues with Retail are mostly that doing the content I like requires me to do content I do not like, in order to be competitive.

In Classic, itā€™s similar though. I donā€™t want to farm World Buffs in order to Raid. Thatā€™s garbage tier play imo. It is simply not fun (for me).

In Retail Arenas and M+ are quite fun, as is figuring out new raids, but having an early PTR sort of means I need to participate in that to enjoy learning it, which pulls me out of progression, and I dislike that.

There are a lot of things I suppose that I dislike about WoW.

Iā€™ve been playing APEX Legends recently.

nah, modern wow devs would mess it up.

lol.

Nah. Modern devs have progressed. Would you be able to do something better? Then do it.

They donā€™t seem to have progressed in my opinion. And us being able to do it is irrelevant, as not only do we not have the credentials - we donā€™t have a position to do better.

But itā€™s not entirely on the developerā€™s shoulders. We know that Blizzard developers arenā€™t able to do everything they want to.

Thatā€™s not irrelevant, it disqualifies you from making a judgement, because you donā€™t understand it.

Itā€™s also false.